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 Post subject: Reported speech
PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:36 am 
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Hello,

Can anyone recommend to me a website/ book etc. that can help my DC understand reported speech. As far as I can tell, Year 5 and 6 DC are not taught present simple, past simple, present continuous or past continuous tenses, so how does a DC know quite how to phrase it?

For eg, my DS, last night, was doing Bond 10 mins 10-11 Test 4 (mixed) and he had to change (question 10)

Beth enquired, "Is this the way to the toilets?"

into reported speech.

He wrote

Beth enquired if this was the way to the toilets.

The answer sheet's answer was: Beth enquired whether that was the way to the toilets.

I tried, in, no doubt, a very tortuous way, to explain the different tenses etc. but he just got really angry, feeling bad that somehow he hadn't got the right answer.

Can anyone help? :? :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Reported speech
PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:51 am 
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My grammar is no good. Is this a whether versus if conundrum? Would you choose whether because the more formal answer is required. How to explain this versus that .... Sorry I am not helping. This just sounds wrong to me because this sounds so here and now.

Could there be questions like this (that) in the kent test? Yikes.


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 Post subject: Re: Reported speech
PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:58 am 
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I can't see anything wrong with your son's version. Both his version and the answer sheet seem valid. To describe either as wrong would seem artificial to me - there isn't enough context to decide on one over the other.


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 Post subject: Re: Reported speech
PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:39 am 
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He could get away with the if, but in reported speech this turns to that, and these turn to those,. Reading simple newspaper reports should help, but it is a year 6 element in our school, and they spend a long time studying and creating reports, I think they even did a little play being news readers. The reason behind the change is very tricky for a 10 year old, so I would just pull out the, 'because that is just how it is', mum device.
The trouble with helping our children with english grammar, is that most of us have spent the last 20 years getting sloppy, a bit like driving the car. I got in a real pickle with auxillary verbs recently, and left my boys looking at me with blank faces, and my husband rubbing his brow in despair. Next time I will just ask on here.


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 Post subject: Re: Reported speech
PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:55 am 
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southbucks3 wrote:
He could get away with the if, but in reported speech this turns to that, and these turn to those,.


It is explaining why this is the case and how to do this that is causing me headaches. Even the 'do as mum says; I'm OBVIOUSLY right' approach, (which was used last night ... :oops:), doesn't help him be consistently correct.

Mystery: I don't know if this would be in the Kent Test (has it been in previous years, previous Kent Tester parents?), it just came up in the 10 minute Bond Tests. Let's face it: who knows what on earth will be in the next Kent Test :roll: :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Reported speech
PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:07 pm 
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southbucks3 wrote:
He could get away with the if, but in reported speech this turns to that, and these turn to those,.


This assumes that the person reporting the speech is in a different place from the person who made the speech. 'We are now lost.' 'But I asked her if this was the way to the toilets, and she said it was.'


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 Post subject: Re: Reported speech
PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:16 pm 
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Hi fatbananas, i have pm'd you.


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 Post subject: Re: Reported speech
PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:26 pm 
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Y wrote:
southbucks3 wrote:
He could get away with the if, but in reported speech this turns to that, and these turn to those,.


This assumes that the person reporting the speech is in a different place from the person who made the speech. 'We are now lost.' 'But I asked her if this was the way to the toilets, and she said it was.'


That makes sense to me. Is there really a rule that "this" turns to "that" in indirect (reported) speech without exception?


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 Post subject: Re: Reported speech
PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:35 pm 
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I don't think anything like that has come up in the Kent test...agree with you Mystery..yikes ...where are those books....


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 Post subject: Re: Reported speech
PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:11 pm 
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Thank you Southbucks.

Thanks Scarlett.

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