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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 4:38 pm 
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Hi, I was just wondering that are girls got more places and got more chance to get into the grammar schools or is that the same competition as boys? Thanks.


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 7:07 pm 
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What would make you think that? if there is an English and Maths exam then it tends to evens out as boys are more likely to do well in Maths and girls more likely to do well in English. DG


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 9:52 pm 
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In actual fact in Birmingham there are more places available for boys than girls:

Bishop Vesey’s Grammar School Boys 124 places
King Edward VI Aston School Boys 104 places
King Edward VI Camp Hill School for Boys 93 places
Handsworth Grammar School (Boys) 150 places
Total: 471

King Edward VI Camp Hill School for Girls 120 places
King Edward VI Handsworth School Girls 128 places
Sutton Coldfield Grammar School for Girls 150 places
Total: 398

King Edward VI Five Ways School Mixed 150 places (but apparently only 40 girls out of an actual intake of 152 this year)

However in some neighbouring areas it's a bit different with more places for girls than boys:
Walsall exactly the same offered:
Queen Mary’s Grammar School Boys 112 places
Queen Mary’s High School (Girls) 112 places

But Wolverhampton has girls only:
Wolverhampton High School for Girls 108 places

And elsewhere in the Wolverhampton/Walsall Shropshire consortium more places for boys than girls:
Adams Grammar School (Newport) Boys 97 day places, 15 boarder places
Newport High School for Girls 84 places in Year 7

Also in neighbouring South Warwickshire 112 girls, 81 boys and 120 mixed.


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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 7:53 am 
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Daogroupie wrote:
What would make you think that? if there is an English and Maths exam then it tends to evens out as boys are more likely to do well in Maths and girls more likely to do well in English. DG


I think it depends on whether the English test is age standardised as otherwise it won't even out. In Medway there is a written English piece and there are four grammar schools for girls and three for boys.

The test marks are made up of 40% from the Maths marks, 20% from the VR (both age standardised) and 40% from the English written piece (not age standardised). I have just read an article on a site whose name they won't let us type :roll: (google Kent + advice), which confirms what I have always felt about the Medway test - it sharply discriminates against boys and against younger boys in particular.


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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 10:12 am 
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Is it creative writing from a comprehension passage or a stand alone title? What is your understanding of what they are looking for? Are there any past papers available? Do you feel that younger boys have less understanding of how to do well with this? DG


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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 5:16 pm 
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Okanagan wrote:
In actual fact in Birmingham there are more places available for boys than girls:

Bishop Vesey’s Grammar School Boys 124 places
King Edward VI Aston School Boys 104 places
King Edward VI Camp Hill School for Boys 93 places
Handsworth Grammar School (Boys) 150 places
Total: 471

King Edward VI Camp Hill School for Girls 120 places
King Edward VI Handsworth School Girls 128 places
Sutton Coldfield Grammar School for Girls 150 places
Total: 398

King Edward VI Five Ways School Mixed 150 places (but apparently only 40 girls out of an actual intake of 152 this year)

However in some neighbouring areas it's a bit different with more places for girls than boys:
Walsall exactly the same offered:
Queen Mary’s Grammar School Boys 112 places
Queen Mary’s High School (Girls) 112 places

But Wolverhampton has girls only:
Wolverhampton High School for Girls 108 places

And elsewhere in the Wolverhampton/Walsall Shropshire consortium more places for boys than girls:
Adams Grammar School (Newport) Boys 97 day places, 15 boarder places
Newport High School for Girls 84 places in Year 7

Also in neighbouring South Warwickshire 112 girls, 81 boys and 120 mixed.


Given that we are told that girls out perform boys in most levels of education one might expect the majority of FW places to be taken by boys. But this is certainly not the case.

Also, very disappointing that Dudley and Sandwell have no GS and Wolverhampton only has the fee paying WGS for boys.


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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 9:46 am 
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Durham CEM adjust the exams to ensure there is no bias between Girls and Boys

In their initial raw state all exams show bias but the question are adjusted following trials

As stated previously, the numbers of successful Girls and also the reduced number of Girls in KEFW is purely down to the increased number of places available at KECHG and KEHGS

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All tests have biases; if it is desired that a Bespoke test returns the same mean result for both boys and girls, then we can adjust the content and operation of the test to achieve this.


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