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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:33 am 
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Hi, I live 5 mins from both one has a 'Good' score by ofsted the lattar 'Outstanding'.

Dilemma which to pick first?

Went to both open days preferred the enthusiasm of Holyhead, whereas Handsworth felt a bit dull and not to impressed with the teachers.
But feel awkward choosing a comp over a Grammar.

Any suggestions would be really apprciated.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:41 am 
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Have you compared any factor other than Ofsted report and the enthusiasm at the open days?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:45 am 
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peter5 wrote:
Have you compared any factor other than Ofsted report and the enthusiasm at the open days?



No just the open days to go by and spoken to a few parents from both schools, whom prefer there own schools to the other one.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:43 pm 
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I don't know either school but it seems to me Handsworth Grammars results will only get better as the results in the birmingham consortium exams will dictate the calibre of its entrants on admission.These are only going to go up in the long run.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:40 pm 
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I also don't know either school, but from a quick look at the DoE tables it looks as though Holyhead has been playing the league tables game which I never like to see. And the Ebac statistics for high attainers are surprisingly low (Ebac has no value in itself but gives an indication of the availability of an academically-oriented curriculum - in this case only 9 pupils in the year followed a path that qualified them for entry).

http://www.education.gov.uk/cgi-bin/schools/performance/group.pl?qtype=LA&superview=sec&view=aat&set=1&sort=&ord=&tab=149&no=330&pg=2

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:04 pm 
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For me it's a no brainer - That's because I'm a grammar school snob, primarily because I went to a dreadful comp school.

Some things I think you should consider;

    One's mixed and one's boys only - what preference do you and your son have?
    Think about the other facilities on offer - sports facilities, after school clubs - which suit your child better?
    Think about the average academic range of children in any one year - all HGS students have sat a test to get in. Personally this was a massive issue for me at school - we had four classes ranging from motivated children, to kids I would hate to think where they have ended up!

I know that both schools are focused on improving results and reputation, so that's a positive for both.

Personally I think your son will also stand a better chance of getting into better universities having gone to HGS - but I'm pretty sure some people will try to disagree with me. In reality, I can't imagine you'll get a truly unbiased answer on this forum. Good luck in whatever you choose.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:29 pm 
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Jazz-UK wrote:
For me it's a no brainer - That's because I'm a grammar school snob, primarily because I went to a dreadful comp school.

Some things I think you should consider;

    One's mixed and one's boys only - what preference do you and your son have?
    Think about the other facilities on offer - sports facilities, after school clubs - which suit your child better?
    Think about the average academic range of children in any one year - all HGS students have sat a test to get in. Personally this was a massive issue for me at school - we had four classes ranging from motivated children, to kids I would hate to think where they have ended up!

I know that both schools are focused on improving results and reputation, so that's a positive for both.

Personally I think your son will also stand a better chance of getting into better universities having gone to HGS - but I'm pretty sure some people will try to disagree with me. In reality, I can't imagine you'll get a truly unbiased answer on this forum. Good luck in whatever you choose.


Completely agree. HGS undoubtedly wins out here, for sure.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:54 pm 
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I am intrigued about this better university comment which I have seen come up a few times. I am not convinced that someone in say Edinburgh looks at two application forms for say medicine, both straight A*, and gives it to the Grammer school child from Birmingham. I doubt they would even recognise it as a grammar school, especially in parts of the country where they disappeared in the 1960's. There is an argument that the child from a non-selective school would be viewed more favourably. I think you should stick to the here and now.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:56 pm 
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Sorry forgot to ask. Why does HGS win?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:25 pm 
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Tbh, an average grade of B- for high attainers isn't very good, although I don't doubt the school does an 'all round' great job based on attainment on entry. (I realise a few of the high attainers will have performed very badly, which skews the overall average grade somewhat.) Although it maybe in the interests of the 'greater good' to have more of the able children populate the comp in favour of the grammar, my advice on an 'individual basis' would be to go for the grammar as the forecast for attainment ( and probably aspiration) is, on balance, likely to be much better.


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