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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:53 pm 
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/educa ... 31366.html

It is clear the new policy has resulted in a doubling of the children from children on the pupil premium from 10% to almost 20% in the KE grammars on scores about 7% lower than non pupil premium candidates.

The increased numbers who have taken the exam this year has demonstrated a demand for a grammar school education. Do we need more Grammar school places in the Birmingham area?

About 10% of children who would have got a place in 2014 will not have got a place this year despite gaining the marks which would have enabled them to get a grammar school education in 2014.Were these 10% all the children of middle class parents?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:42 pm 
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Do we need more Grammar school places in the Birmingham area?


What we do need is better non-selective schools in general, and if middle-class parents' children are displaced into those schools by this policy, then maybe some of them will be enough to push for better provision for higher-ability children in those schools.

Back in the grammars, we'll see in the years to come whether the scheme has been successful for the children with PP, externally in exam grades and perhaps internally in the feedback of teachers, reports and internal review.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:08 pm 
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Back in the grammars, we'll see in the years to come whether the scheme has been successful for the children with PP, externally in exam grades and perhaps internally in the feedback of teachers, reports and internal review.


As a general point, it would be very interesting to see research and what the correlation is between the 11+ entry scores and the GCSE and 'A' level grades after years 5 & 7.

Based on the very limited subjective info that we had via my son's peer group at KEFW, high entry scores at in the 11+ does not necessarily result in the best GCSE and A Levels grades. Some of the best performing students got quite mediocre 11+ scores.

Most teachers will tell you the vast majority of students have the capability to succeed but actual success is based of focus and hard work (and support from home)


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:19 pm 
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The 2013 tables via the DFE show the following pupil premium places(the original figures were supplied by Um on another thread at the time the 2014 figures weren't available)

KECHB 6.7% increased now in 2015 to 20%
KECHG 9.8% increased now to 14%
KEFW 5.7% increased now to 20%
KE Handsworth Girls 12.5% increased now to 14%
KE Aston 20.3% now increased to 25%

Also for the schools their position in 2013 which have not changed admissions policies to offer PP preference (not part of KE Foundation):

BV 11.6%
SCGS 11%
Handsworth Grammar 27.2%

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:29 pm 
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Ken, not in your area but just to say DS's GS gave presentation to Y7 parents to make precisely this point – complete with stats, bar charts, Venn diagrams et al :lol:

Basic point was that there was very little correlation at all. Take with a pinch of salt as this presentation was obviously primarily to make sure the DCs kept working hard… But it was one of the more interesting pieces of information we were given over the 7 years of DS's schooling :D


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:59 pm 
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KenR wrote:
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Based on the very limited subjective info that we had via my son's peer group at KEFW, high entry scores at in the 11+ does not necessarily result in the best GCSE and A Levels grades. Some of the best performing students got quite mediocre 11+ scores.


My wife had a conversation with a teacher at Adams' last week who made that very point. Probably due to the boys who just got in proving they deserve to be there.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:14 pm 
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Happy dad wrote:
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Based on the very limited subjective info that we had via my son's peer group at KEFW, high entry scores at in the 11+ does not necessarily result in the best GCSE and A Levels grades. Some of the best performing students got quite mediocre 11+ scores.


My wife had a conversation with a teacher at Adams' last week who made that very point. Probably due to the boys who just got in proving they deserve to be there.


This reinforced by the fact that the 11+ only tests in English, Maths, Verbal and Non Verbal Reasoning. Most children will do 10 or more GCSE's in a wide variety of subjects. Which is why it doesn't matter what score you get as long as you get over the cut off.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:47 pm 
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quasimodo wrote:
KECHB 6.7% increased now in 2015 to 20%
KECHG 9.8% increased now to 14%
KEFW 5.7% increased now to 20%
KE Handsworth Girls 12.5% increased now to 14%
KE Aston 20.3% now increased to 25%


The stats are very interesting. Thank you. The admissions officer at KEFW told us this week that they are still struggling to attract girls and that the 2015 intake will be 70-30 boys-girls which, I think she said, is actually down on a couple of years ago. Based on this and the stats above it seems clear that the campaign to widen access and the publicity drive for the GSs has had more success attracting PP boys than PP girls. The Foundation and the schools will have to work hard to come up with a way to redress the balance.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:39 am 
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I am currently struggling to explain the concept of Pupil Premium to my son who has just got in to KEFW on a normal place. A boy who sits next to him at school has got in on PP on 217 and his father and my husband have the same professional job and both boys have had tutors and live in similar houses. Why isn't the system means tested?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:00 pm 
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A child is regarded as pupil premium if they have been eligible for free school meals at any time in the past 6 years.
The child's father in this case may have been out of work for a period of time to qualify for this classification.


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