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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:04 am 
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I heard from someone who had spoken to the FO that the number of applicants had risen this year albeit very slightly. Last year I think he was told it was around 5200- this year there will be around 2% increase so around 5300. Not sure how much of an effect it will have on cut off scores? This is probably in line with the rise in birth rates - maybe someone can verify thIs?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 1:32 pm 
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Now that the consortia have joined together (Bham and Warks) it is going to be rather tricky to work out what the increase in applicants really means. In previous years, many will have applied for both exams, although some would have applied for only Warks or only Bham.

What is clear though is that the birth rate did increase across the city and West Midlands. The biggest jump (baby boom) was in 2006/7 according to the Bham statistics I have seen. That includes many children in the year group starting Year 4 soon (and my own dc4 :? ).

The birth rate and net migration into Birmingham has continued to grow but not by as great a jump seen in 2006/7 (which if anyone can remember, were good years economically).


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:22 am 
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Incidentally the reason this dp rang the FO was- without trying to get too controversial- reporting fairly widespread abuse of the PP. He apparently has hard evidence to prove it. I've asked around,mainly with tutors , and it seems that it does go on. I think we're on about the fraudulent cases and NOT the genuine PP ones who are genuinely disadvantaged and were the ones the FO were targeting to help them gain a GS.
I remember members of this forum have mentioned previously that pp may lead to abuse. In fact there are methods found on a couple of websites which explain how you can get pp-a loophole apparently.
The FO are going to investigate.
Remember we're not talking about genuine PP cases.
Anyone else heard of this going on?
It puts a lot of genuine PP dc and non-PP dc at a disadvantage if it is happening.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:08 pm 
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I have certainly heard of this. My son who has just started at KEFW is friends with a boy who is PP who is from a very comfortable middle class background. They both attended the same primary school and they both had the same tutor.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:31 pm 
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We should be very careful before we rush to judgement.Financial circumstances can change and the fact this family have a comfortable home and paid for a tutor doesn't mean that their child isn't entitled to free school meals in the following circumstances;
https://www.gov.uk/apply-free-school-meals
and is therefore a pp child.

In any event I thought schools were working hard to prevent discrimination so that others didn't know who were getting free school meals.

Entitlement to pupil premium is checked every year.If anyone is claiming any of the entitlements which allow free school meals on a false basis they will be committing criminal offences which can be investigated by the Benefits Agency or Revenue and Customs.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:38 pm 
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PP is 'ever 6', meaning that any child who has been FSM in the past 6 years qualifies for PP. Family circumstances can change vastly (for good or bad) in 6 years ...

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:30 am 
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In effect, a child who received FSM for 2 weeks in Yr 1 could benefit from the new PP system in place at the school.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:35 am 
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It is also very simple to legally qualify for FSM is you work for yourself even if it is morally questionable, this is what people are objecting to I believe.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:24 am 
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No matter what it is, there are always people out there willing to play the system.

At FW the PP has a minimal effect for non PP. Intake was 150, which was increased to 180 last year, with 36 PP places, so reducing the intake for non PP to 144, so a loss of 6 places.

I'm not sure if the PP figures are changing this year.


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