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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 1:09 pm 
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Hi All,

Just wanted to clarify a few points:

*1. The 11+ exam format for Bishop Vesey / Sutton Girls Exam is multiple choice for VR / NVR, and standard for Maths, correct ?

*2. The VR types are 21 and not 15 types ?

*3. The BV website informs that the VR test 'will be of 30 minutes duration, with a practice test of 10 minutes' - so I presuming that it's 10 minutes for practice plus then 30 minutes for the test. Just ruling out any ambiguity.

The BV website informs us that 'The tests are in the Standard, and not the Multi Choice format..', but I'm sure that I have read on this forum that it is as above - *1.

Thanks in advance.

Elbart


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:00 pm 
The websites for Sutton and BV often contradict themselves. Even when you phone the schools, you sometimes get conflicting information. I can tell you what the exams have been for the last 5 years.

1. Maths. Standard. Very similar to NFER pack, only possibly easier as my pupils tend to score 5 more marks on average during the actual test and finish with significant time to spare. They are allowed 50 minutes for 50 questions. Do Bond maths assessment books first. Then any other practice you can locate which is in the 50 question NFER format, before you finally use the NFER maths papers, standard. Bond test papers are harder but I sometimes use them before culminating in NFER.
2. Verbal Reasoning. Standard. 10 minutes practice. 30 minutes to do 45 questions. No idea whether it is 15 or 21 types. I do IPS practice book, IPS papers, AFN papers and finally NFER papers. I also make sure to practise anagrams separately as they always come up. If I have to do more than this because child needs practice I shall use CGP possibly or Walsh (although they are at the hard end). I do not use Bond, either books or papers, as there are too many irrelevant questions in these.
3. Non-verbal. 2 of the 6 types usually appear (codes, matrices, series, odd one out, most similar, analogies). You are allowed 12 minutes for each section of 20 questions. Total mark 40. I'd practise Bond assessment papers, Learning Together, AFN, Bond papers and finally NFER papers. Should your child be still struggling, post-AFN (less than 50 out of 60), you might consider slotting in others. Bond papers are generally harder than NFER, apart from TEST A of the pack, but are still good practice.

The exam is very predictable so you have to score quiet well to pass this exam. Not necessary 90% in everything but a good enough combination. E.G. 40/50 in maths, 35/45 in VR and 34/40 in non-verbal would give you last score to get in.

Hope this helps.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:05 am 
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Thanks FM for your informative reply.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:12 pm 
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With regard the VR, although it is standard (writing your answers on the question sheet rather than a separate answer sheet where you choose A,B,C,D, or E, i.e multiple choice), there will be a few standard questions that will have multiple answers to choose from and circling it on the question sheet ... so learning the method of elimination from the choices given would be useful to learn too.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:24 pm 
Standard VR does not tend to have any multiple choice questions. I always practise standard with my pupils and you would be advised to do so the vast majority of the time.
In the final week or two of preparation, I may go over a multiple choice paper just in case the Sutton exam suddenly changes so the children know how to use the answers available for alphabetic codes but I would not be overly concerned if it does. A child used to a diet of standard papers will take a multiple choice in his or her stride (but not vice-versa).


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:01 am 
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.... sounds like a plan to me. Thank you FM.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:27 am 
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FM, what extra resources do you use to practice anagrams for VR ?

Thanks Elbart


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:06 am 
I make them up. Take a sentence.

e.g. The boy liked reading comics on Saturdays.
The boy liked reading ICCSOM on Saturdays.

The girl strolled down the road without a care in the world.
The girl LEDOLRTS down the road without a care in the world.

I wore an extra REUMPJ when it was cold.

Children often find anagrams hard. Occasionally you do get children who can instantly rearrange the letters without any clues, but with the vast majority of children I have tutored, you have to get them to laterally think as to what children like reading or how do people walk if they are feeling happy. Even then you have to make sure they cross the letters out to ensure they spell the word correctly.

If you pm me with your e-mail I can probably dig out some I have used in the past.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:29 am 
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.... that seems straightforward enough. I have pm'd you. Thanks for the advice. Elbart


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just wondering fm if you do private tutoring for bishop vesey?


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