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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:43 pm 
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Does anyone have any idea how the new Equality Bill might affect Bucks' secondary school system?

Of course it's often argued that the system can help the less well off as everyone is in catchment for a grammer, without having to pay a premium to live next to a "good" school.

But there is also a strong school of thought that the ban on Bucks' state primaries doing much 11+ prep disadvantages the already disadvantageed (who can't or won't pay for outside coaching). Is this why BCC is mooting changing that rule?

Also, might we go the way of Kent, so that 11+ results are issued before submitting school choices? (The price they paid for that was NO selection appeals!)


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:17 pm 
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Is BCC mooting an extra practice ban lift?
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Also, might we go the way of Kent, so that 11+ results are issued before submitting school choices? (The price they paid for that was NO selection appeals!)
I don't really see how that price follows - surely selection appeals are after the results are issued anyway? There is a Headteacher's appeal in Kent (I think) - that sounds like a good idea.


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There used to be a HT review - it was stopped as it was inconsistent.


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I was referring to this bit from their (Kent's) 2009 admissions:
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However, before you receive your decision, your child’s primary school headteacher will have the opportunity to refer assessment decisions they disagree with to a panel of headteachers, with representatives from local primary and secondary schools, who will consider all the relevant information before making a decision. This can include your child’s test scores, recent school work, the writing task and comments from your child’s current headteacher. The panel will expect to see a full range of work for a child, regardless of which scores may be below the threshold. An assessment will only be changed by the Headteacher Panel if the panel is confident that the child will be well placed in a grammar school.
I see they also assess maths, VR and NVR..
(ps what was it inconsistent with?)


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The HT 'review' in Bucks was stopped because there were inconsistencies - I know no more than that. All appeals are now heard by independent panels which are trained.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:11 am 
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pippi wrote:
Is BCC mooting an extra practice ban lift?
zee wrote:
Also, might we go the way of Kent, so that 11+ results are issued before submitting school choices? (The price they paid for that was NO selection appeals!)
I don't really see how that price follows - surely selection appeals are after the results are issued anyway? There is a Headteacher's appeal in Kent (I think) - that sounds like a good idea.

I don't follow the details of Kent, but I understand the logic. They get 11+ results and, very soon afterwards, have to apply for school places, only putting grammars if eligible by 11+. If they had selection appeals in between, they'd either need the test and results earlier or struggle to allocate places by national allocation day.

As for possibly relaxing the practice ban, I read something along those lines in the Bucks Free Press a few weeks ago (but can't find it now).


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:49 am 
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The BFP article is in one of Dad40's postings at: http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/forum/11plus/viewtopic.php?t=9952
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The HT 'review' in Bucks was stopped because there were inconsistencies - I know no more than that. All appeals are now heard by independent panels which are trained.
And the HT's say:
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Concern was raised about the apparent inconsistencies in panel’s decision making. A discussion took place with examples of the inconsistencies.


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Sorry to butt in and if I have got hold of the wrong end of the stick I apologise, but just wanted to make sure that anyone from Kent did not think they would not be allowed to appeal when they do have that right.

In Kent we do know the Kent test results before we fill in the CAF form but you still can apply to a Grammar school even if your child has not reached the required mark. You will not be offered a Grammar school on allocation day but you are then able to take your case to appeal even if there has been a head teachers review.

Things are different in the Medway area where a failed Head Teachers review can mean no further appeal will be allowed although there are circumstances when you are allowed to appeal again.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:00 am 
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The HT 'review' in Bucks was stopped because there were inconsistencies


Although of course HTs can still have a huge influence on the Appeals process even if they have never personally taught the child or, seemingly, know very much about them at all.

And Appeal panels may be trained, but they still feel able to pass judgment on matters of which they have no understanding, sadly.

Any move to make the Appeal system less subjective should be warmly welcomed.


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