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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:01 pm 
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For those who sat the 11+ in October 2010, here are the pass rates broken down by the candidates' birth month (Source: Bucks CC)

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Month of birth         Not qualified   Qualified    Total   Allocated Grammar
September 1999            410             231        641            197
October 1999              436             246        682            185
November 1999             436             237        673            176
December 1999             427             193        620            145
January  2000             394             213        607            172
February 2000             370             209        579            158
March 2000                394             210        604            168
April 2000                406             216        622            179
May 2000                  379             213        592            167
June 2000                 375             194        569            148     
July 2000                 368             218        586            173
August 2000               370             225        595            174
Total                     4775            2613       7388          2042


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:06 pm 
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Dad40 emailed these to me earlier. No great shocks - the average is 35%, December is low at 31% but that will just be a variation in this cohort I suspect.

What I do find interesting is that 571 candidates qualified in the test but did not take up the option of a place at a Bucks GS. (Obviously Berks GS will be a big factor in that.) I think this is the first time we have seen actual numbers for that.

Well, small things like that do interest me! :oops:


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:13 pm 
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Interesting ..

If you work out % qualifying from each month you get:

Sept 1999 36%
Oct 1999 36.1%
Nov 1999 35.2%
Dec 1999 31.1%
Jan 2000 35.1%
Feb 2000 36.1%
Mar 2000 34.8%
Apr 2000 34.7%
May 2000 36%
June 2000 34.1%
July 2000 37.2%
Aug 2000 37.8%


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:35 pm 
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Sally-Anne wrote:
Well, small things like that do interest me! :oops:


Guest55 wrote:
Interesting ..

G55, has it ever occcurred to you that you and I need to get out more? :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:42 pm 
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Well, I need to join you. Ever since I worked out that in my daughter's class (grammar) 40% are Sept-Dec birthdays, 50% are May-August birthdays and only 10% are Jan-April birthdays I've been dying to do a year wide comparison!


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:45 pm 
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What I do find interesting is that 571 candidates qualified in the test but did not take up the option of a place at a Bucks GS. (Obviously Berks GS will be a big factor in that.) I think this is the first time we have seen actual numbers for that

Surely a case of *could not* take up a place? Each year about 2500-2600 qualify but there are only about 2000-2100 places. Tis the OOCs that invariably lose out (or very often "choose out" as you imply).

However what your post has pointed out to me is that the table shows candidates that *qualified* (i.e. includes successful selection appeals) despite me asking in the FOI about candidates who *passed* the tests outright.

Not that it really matters I guess ! :)


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:51 pm 
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My excuse is that,as a mathematician, any data interest me ... :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:00 pm 
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Dad40 wrote:
Surely a case of *could not* take up a place? Each year about 2500-2600 qualify but there are only about 2000-2100 places. Tis the OOCs that invariably lose out (or very often "choose out" as you imply).

The footnote to the stats says:

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3 Includes pupils allocated to a Buckinghamshire Grammar school only. The remaining qualified pupils generally attend selective secondary institutions elsewhere or withdraw from the Admissions procedure altogether.
Either someone is dissembling or we have to assume that Berks GS and private schools form the majority of the 571?

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However what your post has pointed out to me is that the table shows candidates that *qualified* (i.e. includes successful selection appeals) despite me asking in the FOI about candidates who *passed* the tests outright. Not that it really matters I guess ! :)

Roughly 300 - 400 will have been successful appeal candidates. I have often pondered whether appeals by birth month vary in their success rates and Etienne and I have speculated in the past that having a July or August birthday might perhaps give a slight edge to an appeal.

That might influence the stats, but if it does then it is obviously doing so correctly because (apart from the December blip) all the birth months look very similar.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:49 pm 
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On the subject of appeals (and while we've all got our anoraks on) the year by year stats for heard/successful are:
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                 2010         2009        2008          2007
Heard             952          850         859           911
Successful        337          343         331           339
%ge              35.4%        40.4%       38.5%         37.2%
which still looks like remarkable luck that it's always around 340 successful! Maybe just being told that around 30% passed last year makes a difference to panels? Also for last year, below I've put data from Bucks CC for appeals for children eligible/not eligible for free school meals.
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Appeal Type   Pupils eligible   Pupils Not eligible   No data
Successful        <5                 211                113
Unsuccessful       8                 302                326


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:27 pm 
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im sorry im not sure i understand but the appeal for eligible fsm pupils were very low, so does this mean that children whos perants are on low income will not get threw because they might of got a few points more wrong then other children, and because of this disadvantage they are not sucessful.
What i mean is if these perants had made an appeal there must of (im asuming) must of mentioned that they are disadvantaged in some ereas , im babling now ! please help , do anyone know what i mean.


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