Go to navigation
It is currently Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:29 am

All times are UTC




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:02 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:20 pm
Posts: 257
I was speaking to a SWBGS parent earlier this week. They told me that they thought standards have declined after the school became 'less selective'. They went on to say that it used to be much tougher to get in and the academic selection criteria were tougher?

I have a feeling this is an urban myth and thought this was a good place to ask. My thanks.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:19 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:21 pm
Posts: 11936
Pupils are selected for a Bucks GS by the 11+ which has not changed for a number of years. The proportion of children selected stays around 30% each year.

I should think it is unlikely that the make-up of children has changed and this is probably another urban myth!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:39 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:10 pm
Posts: 8200
Location: Buckinghamshire
My eldest DS is now in Y12 and the selection criteria have been exactly the same for all Bucks Grammars ever since he sat the 11+. There has certainly been no "dumbing down" of the selection process since 2005.

Once upon a time I believe that there was a "final tie-breaker" by score, but I believe it came after several other allocation criteria such as distance.

G55 is correct that the proportion selected via immediate qualification (i.e. scoring 121+) is consistent at around 30%, and successful appeals increase that to around 35%, but even the number of successful appeals is pretty consistent every year, so that can't account for it.

Urban myth, and possibly a degree of bragging: "It was so much more difficult to get in when my (incredibly bright) child qualified ..." :roll:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:17 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:20 pm
Posts: 257
Thank you, interesting.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:26 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:28 am
Posts: 63
There is some truth in the myth. There was a wider catchment area, as I know some people who used to be in it but are no longer. I'm not sure if it was then done by highest score in the catchment or a higher cutoff (131 was mentioned anecdotally). It did mean that Marlow parents were understandably annoyed that their kids "passed" but not with high enough scores to get a place.

The last year for which this was in place was 2002 or thereabouts.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:37 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:21 am
Posts: 2125
As I understand it, the system pre-2005 was quite simply for score to be used instead of distance as the main tiebreaker after catchment, siblings, etc. - i.e. starting with the highest score and working backwards towards 121, instead of starting with the closest distance and working outwards as is the case now. This became Chinese-whispered into the rumour that you needed at least 130 to have a chance. Obviously having a high score helped, but it really depended on what scores everyone else in the oversubscribed pool had and the number of places available.

_________________
Marylou


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:57 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:21 pm
Posts: 11936
Only some schools selected on score eg DCGS but this was phased out long ago - last year's Year 13s were the last cohort I think.

One for the urban myths sticky!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:27 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:31 pm
Posts: 15
It would interesting to compare the GCSE/A-level results of the "highest score" and "distance" cohorts. Some of the GSs do seem to be keen on "highest score" as far as 12+ is cocerned. There doesn't seem to be any sign of it coming back at 11+, but I wonder if the new freedom of academies to choose their selection criteria - and the relentless pressure for results - will lead to highest score being reintroduced over time?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:34 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:21 pm
Posts: 11936
The 2010 GCSEs were the first for the new 'distance' criterion.

However that does not mean that all the intakes are 'equal' or even 'more equal'.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
CALL 020 8204 5060
   
Privacy Policy | Refund Policy | Disclaimer | Copyright © 2004 – 2016