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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:23 pm 
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Hello Everyone

My family have just moved to Bucks in January and my daughter will be taking her 11+ in October. I had her parents evening last night, and came out of the meeting feeling upset and very anxious. Prior to moving from Scotland, my daughter was working way ahead of the rest of her class, and there was never any concern about her academic ability.

The teacher said she was given a CAT test a week after starting her new school and scored 115. I asked how this related to her ability to do the 11+ and was told ''The upper schools in this area are very good!''. I feel the meeting was rushed and very non reassuring. I also feel the teacher highlighted all her weak areas and did not once credit her ability in anything!

I have done some practice papers with her at home and at present is scoring in the region of 75% - 85% on the short IPS papers. She has been attending private tuition for the last 3 weeks. On the first week I asked the tutor to assess her ability and I was told following the lesson ''She will be just fine, she is a bright girl with plenty of enthusiasm''.

She has her heart set on a grammar school which is in catchment.

Could anyone please shed some light on this for me. I am very anxious about all of this and trying my best not to let my daughter know how worried I am!


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:28 pm 
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Hi TLC11, and welcome to sunny Bucks!

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The teacher said she was given a CAT test a week after starting her new school and scored 115.
The will be the average of three different test - Verbal Reasoning, Non-Verbal Reasoning and Quantitative Reasoning. It would be very helpful if we could have all three scores, because there can be some considerable variations in them for some children.

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I asked how this related to her ability to do the 11+ and was told ''The upper schools in this area are very good!''.
115 is not out of range of the 11+! Although the two tests are not directly comparable, the mark needed to qualify is 121, a mere six points higher.

It could be that the teacher, or the school, is anti-11+ selection. Even though it is the system here, that does happen. Ignore, follow your own path.

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I feel the meeting was rushed and very non reassuring. I also feel the teacher highlighted all her weak areas and did not once credit her ability in anything!
It puts her opinion on the 11+ in doubt if she can't give a balanced view of strengths and weaknesses, as any good teacher should try to do.

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I have done some practice papers with her at home and at present is scoring in the region of 75% - 85% on the short IPS papers.
That is fine at this stage, although IPS are at the easier end of the spectrum, as you will know from reading on here. It is an encouraging start though.

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She has been attending private tuition for the last 3 weeks. On the first week I asked the tutor to assess her ability and I was told following the lesson ''She will be just fine, she is a bright girl with plenty of enthusiasm''.
I would be slightly sceptical of any tutor who blitheyly said "she will be just fine", because the 11+ is such a capricious test. I always tell people that it is a test where anything can happen, and even the very brightest child can fail to qualify for obscure reasons.

Drop me a line with the names of the current school, the preferred GS's name and the tutor. I will see if I can shed any further light on them or suggest a forum member who might be able to.

Sally-Anne


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:39 am 
Hi TLC11,

My child scored 114 in the NFER tests. However, the verbal reasoning result is really the one that you need to be looking at for the 11+. Our Quantitative & Non verbal was 122+, the verbal reasoning was low. My DS 11+ results were very similar to the result of the verbal reasoning NFER test.

From previous experience I would take what the tutor says with a pinch of salt. My child is bright, top sets for Maths and English and did not qualify for grammar school. We were scoring 88% + in the practice papers. The 11+ can be very unpredictable. It comes down to whether the child knows the vocabulary on the test papers. We were very shocked and disappointed when we learned that we did not qualify however, we have just received our first preference upper school and are very happy. :D

I hope this helps.


Last edited by crunchie on Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:56 am, edited 2 times in total.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:51 am 
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The teacher said she was given a CAT test a week after starting her new school and scored 115. I asked how this related to her ability to do the 11+ and was told ''The upper schools in this area are very good!''
A single CAT result, on its own, is unlikely to be a wholly reliable indicator. Headteachers are warned by the LA that there is no direct correlation with the 11+.

See also:
http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/appeal ... ication#b4

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:55 am 
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Exposure to CATs data on pupils at two Bucks secondary schools, both drawing from the same catchment area, showed that there was a huge overlap in CATS scores between the 2 schools.


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