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 Post subject: Raw score CEM vs. Bond
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:26 pm 
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Good evening everyone,
My daughter is taking the 11+ test in Bucks this September and I am a bit confused by what she needs to achieve to pass. She is a good all rounder, and when she does some mixed papers at home (stretch maths, stretch verbal, etc.) she usually complete them in time and achieve between 90 and 100%. But she did 2 mock with her tutors, which were the 2 CEM papers available to buy: these were much more difficult and she had 67% and 74% of questions correct. The tutor is now doing some weekly mock, with V, NV and NR, very much in line with CEM, and she achieve 67% to 69% of the questions right. As she has been told by her tutor that she needs to get 80% to have a chance to pass, she is really discouraged.
Can someone clarify for me what does this mean? Does she really needs to have 80% of the questions right on a CEM test?
Thanks for your help,


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:30 pm 
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No-one knows. There are several other threads about this at the moment, so they might be of interest to you.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:43 pm 
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Thank you, I am reading a lot of forums hoping to understand a bit more, this is so confusing. I don't want her to feel discouraged though, so I usually tell her that she can do it, and try to help her learning her vocabulary which I know is her weak spot.
But looking at some of the comments on some forums, 67% of correct answers might mean that she is completely off the scale, whilst looking at the Bond papers she is supposed to do well? :?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:58 pm 
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I would not leave her feeling discouraged at this stage. I would say that she is scoring at a good level and continue the work-try to focus on any weaknesses at this stage.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:05 pm 
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This is what I am doing, I tell her she has good chances to make it, and praise her hard work. Only this gets tricky when she questions how can she make it whilst she score only 67% of correct answers on the mock...and the tutor goes on about the 80% rate?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:13 pm 
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The tutor has NO idea - nobody does as this is the first year.

I would stop the tutoring if s/he can't be more positive and truthful.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:22 pm 
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My dd is scoring over 90% on tough Maths,VR and NVR papers and not so well on the CEM papers.

Ask the tutor where they get the 80% from ? Remember its first past the post.So your dd has a good chance

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:25 pm 
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The tutor has been good in term of the work done and has been really helpful, he doesn't really tell us that she will not pass, in fact he has told us that she has a good chance, but the mention of the 80% rate really confuses us. I guess nobody really knows.
It just break my heart to hear our daughter discouraged after every mock - it takes me days to bring her back to a more positive outlook.


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Does your tutor claim to have some kind of inside information or is he just going on what he would have told pupils sitting the previous version of your 11+?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:31 pm 
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He doesn't claim anything, he might be referring to the previous years. I see him later this week, I will ask him. This is not always easy as there are other kids there and it is always a bit sensitive to discuss scores with everyone there


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