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 Post subject: pass rate for 11 plus
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:59 pm 
what is the percentage pass rate for the 11 plus


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:04 pm 
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Around 30% for Bucks (34% after appeals).

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:58 pm 
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Is this the amount of children who pass or the required pass mark ?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:21 pm 
That is the percentage that pass - the pass mark is usually 121.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:52 pm 
The original question about the percentage that pass makes more sense.

The pass mark is a bit of a red herring. Because of the way it's standardised you can't easily translate a raw score (though there are links elsewhere on this site that help you do so).

More importantly, as the number of grammar places is (more or less) fixed, it will be the top 30-34% who "pass", and if necessary the scores will be adjusted to achieve that.

So really what matters is that your child is in the top third of the year sitting 11+ (not just at their school, but across the board), and that will also be affected by how many are sitting it that year.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:36 pm 
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Just to clarify all these posts:

The percentage of children who pass the 11+ is Bucks is approximately 30%, with a further 4% getting in on Appeal. (As Etienne rightly says.)

The approximate pass mark is 86%. If your child is a September birthday they will need to achieve a higher pass mark in practice tests - 90% or slightly higher. If your child is an August birthday, the pass mark could be lower than 86%.

A baseline pass mark before age standardisation remains 86%. That is the minimum you should aim for in practice tests.

Please bear in mind that adrenalin on the day will always provide a few percentage points more in most children.

Sally-Anne


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:32 am 
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Re: 30% and 34%.

Beware statistics !!

These stats relate to all school types (state and independent) and they only reflect the proportion who passed out of those who actually sat the test.

If your child is in a state school, the more relevant stat is that, on average, 21% of those eligible (Year 6) pass the 11+ outright. This goes up to about 26% when successful appeals are factored in.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:00 pm 
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These stats relate to all school types (state and independent) and they only reflect the proportion who passed out of those who actually sat the test.

Do you really mean the percentage who passed, or the percentage who were offered a grammar place or the percentage to took up a grammar place? There's likely to be quite a difference.

Slightly different slant, but does anyone know what percentage of state secondary places in Bucks are in grammars and what percentage are in uppers?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:19 pm 
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Do you really mean the percentage who passed, or the percentage who were offered a grammar place or the percentage to took up a grammar place? There's likely to be quite a difference.


I mean the percentage who passed (or won a selection appeal). For Bucks state school pupils, there is little difference between those who passed and those who took up grammar school places. I also suspect (but don't know for sure) that Bucks prep school passers mainly take up their places.

The Out of County people are very different. An awful lot of them do not/cannot take up places.

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does anyone know what percentage of state secondary places in Bucks are in grammars and what percentage are in uppers?


In 2006, there were 3718 upper school places and 2105 grammar school places to be filled.........if that's what you meant(?)


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:33 pm 
Thanks for the numbers, that was what I meant. So ~ 36% of state secondary places in Bucks are at grammars.?

However, that sits oddly with Sally-Anne's statement that about 34% who sit 11+ pass. What about all the out of counties who pass but don't get offered a place? Who takes their places - all filled by appeal?

One slight final quibble to Dad40 though: some children will be pupils at a Bucks prep and live out of county, so they'll be in the group that don't (generally) get offered places - which is not the same as "taking up their places" as they won't have been offered one, despite passign 11+.


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