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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:28 pm 
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An important discussion is taking place elsewhere on the forum which relates to the pass rates from Bucks state primary schools with the new CEM test. A letter has been printed in the Bucks Free Press from the Labour Party raising the worrying question of whether the new test has led to a significant reduction in the number of Bucks state school children qualifying with the new test, in favour of larger numbers from independent primaries / prep schools.

Of course the results by school are not published yet but this is a discussion which people should be aware of.

Perhaps one of the moderators could provide a link to the discussion on the General Forum?

Thanks.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:04 pm 
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At the moment it is all a bit blurry. We cannot see how many children were not entered from the private sector for example.(some schools encourage parents to opt out, as it will have an adverse effect on their pass rate stats). I would always expect the private sector to out perform the state sector by a large amount, due to the intake of children and their parents obviously pushing them educational wise. However the further decline in state school bucks area passes is very worrying and twinned with the increase in other sectors, obviously something has gone wrong. I personally think the grammar school management teams, who after all were closely involved in developing the new test, should be held accountable for the drop in local passes and should be made to publish exactly what their true motivation for setting such high standards is, rather than us all assuming they are chasing top league table positions. After all the children are not accountable and the primary teachers have no say in the test and certainly did not suddenly lower their teaching standards in 2013.

I really want to see this year's School by school stats and compare with previous years. Our school did about the same, if not a little better this year, but they had an extremely clever year of children and an odd year of a very very small class size. I think if you look over towards Aylesbury primary schools, the outcome is a lot bleaker than ever, and it was always pretty low pass wise, but again we have not got the stats yet to back that rumour up.

I am inclined to bite my tongue until stats are published per school and then join the local rally cry and make a huge stink with anyone who is out there shouting. Let's just hope someone somewhere who can make changes, tweaks the pass level just a bit before this years results are calculated.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:15 pm 
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I think there is a shift - partly due to the 11 plus tourism we often discuss, but this:

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Wycombe Labour does not believe that children in private schools are more than twice as clever as children in state schools, or have more than twice the potential. But this is what the new Bucks 11+ exam suggests


is just silly. The private schools have always had a higher percentage passing - as SB3 says, down to the simple fact that for them it is an "opt in" (ie only enter the pupils they think have a good chance) whereas for the state schools it is opt out (ie everyone takes the test unless they make a deliberate decision not to). It is also no different to previously, for the same reasons.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:43 pm 
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In our primary school this year the numbers are down considerably by around 40% which is a significant number of DC.

It seems quite a few have got in on appeal. As we know from other stats that Sally-Anne has kindly posted more children did get in on appeal this year than normal.

It would be good to understand why everyone thinks this has happened this year.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:53 pm 
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And I wonder why have the grammar school heads formed a private company?

Is there some logical, straightforward explanation for this?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:24 pm 
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I hate to let facts get in the way of a good bit of private school bashing ...

From the CEM thread:

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2013 entry   Cohort   Tested   Qual (121+)      % qual
IN            5243   4532   1056   23.30%
PAR           1194   1030   512   49.71%
OUT           2690   1870   836   44.71%
TOT           9127   7432   2404   32.35%

2014 entry     Cohort   Tested   Qual (121+)      % qual
IN              5349   4798   935   19.49%
PAR               807   747   366   49.00%
OUT             3235   2645   1119   42.31%
TOT             9391   8190   2420   29.55%   

As we know from previous discussions on here, the figures that the politicians and GS Heads should be focusing on are these:

OUT: 2013
Tested: 1870
Qualified: 836

44.71%

OUT: 2014
Tested 2645
Qualified: 1119

42.31%

The ones in red, the increase in educational tourists who are taking the test in multiple areas and picking the "best" result. That is where the pressure on the in-county pass rate is coming from, not from the private schools.

Back to the Partner Schools, the repeated, mistaken assertion that “all children at Partner Schools are from private schools” really does need to be laid to rest, so I have dug and delved a little further into the statistics.

These are the 7 state schools among the Partner schools, together with their PAN. All seem to admit to their PAN each year and all apart from Holy Trinity are rated "Good" by OFSTED so are presumably delivering a standard of education that at least matches the average for a Bucks primary school.

Barnfield Moorlands School 54
Bisham CE Primary School 16
Christchurch CE 30
Cookham Dean Primary School 26
Cookham Rise Primary School 30
Holy Trinity C of E Primary School 32
Langley Hall Primary Academy 104

That gives a state cohort among the Partner Schools of 292 children.

Of those 292 children the pass rate will be somewhere in the range of 20% (as for Bucks children) through to 50% (OoC opt-in children), so somewhere between 58 and 146. A fair median seems to be a figure of 100.

Therefore, out of the 366 children from Partner Schools who qualified, it is likely that 266 (approximately 75%) were from private schools, and they represent approximately 11% of all qualified children.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:52 pm 
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Oh, for goodness sake. That article has more holes in it than a sieve.
Bucks Free Press wrote:
The proportion of Bucks grammar school places going to children from out of the county increased by a massive 12 per cent, from 35 per cent to 47 per cent, between 2013 and 2014.

OH, NO IT DIDN'T!

The figures quoted are the increase in OoC children who qualified:
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             2013   2014
Tested       2404   2420
Qualified     836   1119
%             35%   47%

They have absolutely nothing to do with the allocation of school places whatsoever.

As we know from another thread, 650 of the children who qualified didn't even put a Bucks GS in first place on their CAF. And then there are the 342 successful Review cases, many of which will have been for Bucks resident children ...

Dangerous, scaremongering manipulation of statistics by people who have no grip on the situation at all.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:48 pm 
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What can be done about the educational tourism which it seems from the figures Sally-Anne reveals is the real culprit?

Do the local grammar schools want the exam to be so difficult for local children when many of the so-called "qualified" pupils are not ever going to take the place offered to them? I hope this will be taken into consideration this year.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:20 pm 
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Some primary schools had more qualifiers this year ....


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:47 pm 
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home school children living in Bucks apply too, and may be classed as ooc when in fact they are not.


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