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 Post subject: Empty Places in Y 7
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:25 am 
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Bucks Herald article and discussion

http://www.bucksherald.co.uk/news/more- ... -1-6534799

12/13+ opportunity?

Discussion also highlights the 11+ tourism issue. As one of those waiting to hear on a review, I hope the boards are acutely aware of this - and generous with review places! :roll: :roll: :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Empty Places in Y 7
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:27 am 
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Rational makes some very good points. My other pet hate is when you move towards more and more DC getting in on appeal you are penalising those DC whose parents will not or cannot go through this process. It is the same with 12+, many parents do not wish to put their DC through yet another test with the risk of disappointment.

I think the saddest statistic is SHFG. I have not lived here long but it seems this is an area where many of the DC have been penialised by the tourist issue (lowest percentage pass rate) and possibly because it is less central for commuting. Someone on the discussion thread raises the old chestnut about DC not being suitable so best they attend an Upper. Rubbish I for one know that my own DC would have had no problem keeping up in one of those schools with a number of empty spaces and I am pretty certain he is not alone in that. What a waste.


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 Post subject: Re: Empty Places in Y 7
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:29 am 
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Thanks for posting - it does make interesting reading as one of the parents who are bussing their child miles away to an US when I am 100% sure he would have thrived at the GS he can see from his bedroom window.

Almost too late for 12+ though I think as registration was before Xmas for many with exams in Jan/Feb (JHGS is next Weds)

DS is adamant he wants to pass 12+ to validate himself vs his GS peers but he does not want to move school and why should he ? I know a number of others that will be sitting with that mind set on Weds but whether they change their minds with 121 in their hand who knows. There could well be empty places on into Y8.

Good luck to all - I hope the authorities get it right this year.

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 Post subject: Re: Empty Places in Y 7
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:34 am 
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Shocking, although it should be pointed out that Chesham have always had excess places (except last year?). Ironic that it is the Bucks grammar heads who introduced/are in charge of the new 11 plus, which has led to 11 plus tourism & spare places in their schools. 5/6 years ago John Hampden was so oversubscribed that the intake area shrank considerably, what a change - is this just the new 11 plus/tourism, or is it less popular for some reason (I know these things wax & wane, but traditionally it has been schools on the edge of the county who have spare places).


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 Post subject: Re: Empty Places in Y 7
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:41 am 
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There have always been spare places in Y7 ... this is very old news.

The Floyd actually has one of the highest number of families putting it number 1 but a lower proportion of those chldren qualify. It has to compete with two single gender schools in a town where qualification rates have plummeted. Personally I think it's the best of the three schools ...


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 Post subject: Re: Empty Places in Y 7
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:26 am 
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What the article does not say is that Floyd has an extra Year 8 class - so normally a a 5 class intake they took a sixth class into the current year 8 as a result of 12+.

So would be interesting to look at the overall admission numbers rather than solely focus on Year 7 which does only have 4 classes.


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 Post subject: Re: Empty Places in Y 7
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:45 am 
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Agreed ConfusedAylesburyMum - they are also very good at including new Y8s into the school community.

The FOI came from the group that want to get rid of Grammars so their motive is more than 'facts'.


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 Post subject: Re: Empty Places in Y 7
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:43 pm 
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For comparison sake, does anyone know what was the number of empty spaces at these schools the year before the CEM test was introduced. Is it significantly different?


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 Post subject: Re: Empty Places in Y 7
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:52 pm 
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I haven't got those figures to hand but have found an old list from 2010 - there were about 111 empty places from what I can see.

As I said, old news.


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 Post subject: Re: Empty Places in Y 7
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:44 pm 
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To be fair to the newspaper, it does make it fairly clear what is behind the story – 'a campaign group' is mentioned very early on and the actual group and its spokesperson are both named later in the story.

As Guest55 says, I'm not sure this is anything new. There were always odd spaces at DCGS when DS was there, because if a child changes schools for whatever reason (child doesn't like school, parents re-locate etc etc), it isn't possible instantly to fill that space.


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