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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:56 pm 
I am going to be sitting my daughter next year for Dr Challoners ...... although we are doing papers at the moment, i would like her o have some extra tuition. Does anyone know of a good tutor or classes she can attend to get her through..... someone that has a good success rate, and that knows the type of questions she will be asked? We are already doing the Susan daughtery papers and the nfer, and i also heard we should be doing the IPS papers. Is there anything else that i should look at for her?
I would be grateful for any replies to help me get through this nightmare!!! and i still have a year to go!!!


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:46 pm 
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Hi Natalie

Welcome to the forum.
The forum cannot be used for advertising but members could send you a private message (PM) if you were registered...really easy...see bottom of page. I promise you that you will not receive spam etc :)
You could also look at the Tutors section on this site.. '11 plus tutors'... on left hand side of the Home page.
Also on the left hand side of the Home page is '11 plus regions' have a look in the Bucks section....it lists all comparable papers and other relevant facts.

Edited..... Forgot to say, please ask any other questions....we will help if poss.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:53 pm 
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Some of the Susan D material is not suitable - do check!


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:38 pm 
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Dear Natalie

Should you wish to DIY, then follows a copy and paste from one of my old posts to get you started. Only the Bright Sparks series from Susan Daughtrey are applicable to Bucks, do NOT use her books 1-7, mostly irrelevant...

Are you ready for this?.......

The 11 plus exam in Bucks consists of 2 Verbal Reasoning, Multiple choice tests. Each paper has 80 questions to complete in 50 minutes. Your child only needs to pass one of the tests, the average score is no longer used. The school will provide 5 familiarisation sessions [covering the 21 types of questions] followed by 3 practice tests.

The tests are published by NFER.

Publishers which currently cover the 21 types required for Bucks include:
AFN, IPS, Susan Daughtrey [Bright Sparks only, NOT her books 1-7], The Tutors, Walsh.

NFER, who publish the Bucks tests only contain 15 types of questions�..it is therefore necessary to practice HIKNOS while completing these tests. [HIKNOS are 6 types as identified by IPS]

I would recommend that you start by buying a method and technique book in order to teach yourself how approach each of the questions [IPS]

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/books/list.php?ex=85

IPS also publishes a book containing a selection of each type. Before you administer your first test, teach your child the types contained in that test using the IPS additional questions book, continue this method for the first few tests.

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/books/list.php?ex=90

Use tests in the following order�..

1] IPS, 10 tests 50 questions, 30 minutes [shorter tests good to begin with]

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/books/list.php?ex=88

2] THE TUTORS, 12 tests, 80 questions, 50 minutes�..these come as E papers or in packs of 4

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/books/ ... p?g=f&p=21

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/epaper ... =f&c=1&p=6

3] SUSAN DAUGHTREY [Bright Sparks only], 80 questions 50 minutes..2 packs each pack contains 4 tests
http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/books/list.php?ex=120

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/books/ ... 3D7%23b309

4] NFER, 4 tests, 85 questions 50 minutes [remember to practice HIKNOS from IPS when completing these tests, also need to cross off the last 5 questions, as the real test only has 80 not 85]

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/books/list.php?ex=14

Between steps 1-4 use the 2 CDs produced by THE TUTORS, Vol.1 contains 50 questions of each type. Vol.2 contains 12 tests. The CDs relieve the boredom of pen and paper tests, helping to increase speed and accuracy. They have received many good reviews.


http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/cd/the ... lume-1.php

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/cd/the ... lume-2.php

Do not start until the New Year, between now and then [and for the rest of year 5] ensure your child reads out loud to you at least 3 times a week, making note of all unknown vocabulary. If you look at some of the posts concerning the 2006 11 plus, the majority of posters, mention vocabulary as being the biggest problem [and I whole heartedly agree]
See the following link, bottom of the page, for my list of words with an explanation of how to use flash cards as an aid

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/revisi ... wnload.php

In addition, there are 4 types of maths questions, they are not rocket science, BUT require an ability to quickly recall the 4 maths operations i.e. adding, subtraction, multiplying and dividing. The quicker the child can recall, the more time can be spent on codes [easy marks, but time consuming] Basically if you ask for 8 x 7 you want the answer 56, now not in 10 seconds time, once they know their times tables inside out and back to front [ up to 12 x] then division becomes easy. Adding and subtraction should be practiced using numbers under 150�.try making up games, giving quick fire questions in the car, out for walks etc.

This forum is a wealth of information, look around, take note and get teaching! Any problems just ask, there is always someone willing to help.

Patricia


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:23 pm 
Thank you all so much for all the information you have given me....i have placed a big order on IPS papers and the other ones that have been recommended....Its much appreciated! I feel like a real ogre doing all this work with her, i just hope it will be worth it!
I have also been told that if they are the youngest ones in the year that gain points, as well as living near to the school. Does anyone know anything about this?
Has anyone had experience in their daughter sitting the DR challoners girls test?...my son sat for the boys school last year, but didnt get in, he missed it by a few marks!


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:42 pm 
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Hi Guest

What a lot of misinformation flies round!! :lol:

The test for Challoners Girls is the same as the one your son sat for DCGS - it is the same test for all Bucks Grammar Schools.

Extra points for living close to the school? I wish! Once a child passes the test, the nearer they are to the school, the greater their chances of being allocated a place. Distance plays no role until that point.

The younger children in the year benefit from the age standardisation process, in that their mark needs to be a little lower than the older children to achieve a pass. Regardless of when your child's birthday falls, you should be aiming to eventually achieve at least 86%, preferably 90% in practice papers.

Sally-Anne


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Hi Natalie, if you pm me I can give you the name of our tutor, both my daughter and her friend used her and both qualified for grammar schools. We are also hoping to get into Dr Challoners for girls.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:11 am 
We have been recommended the Dynamite series of workbooks - and good?


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Dear njg

The Dynamite books do not cover the correct 21 types for Bucks and are therefore not recommended.

Patricia


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