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 Post subject: SAT results
PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:10 pm 
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Do the SAT results still count if the Dc gets into a grammar school, or is it only relevant for the local comprehensives? I was under the impression that the grammar schools have their own criterion for allocating the top tables i.e, based on the 11 plus score of the child. So if a child gets through a grammar school the SAT results do not matter much or am I wrong and the results are still considered by the Universities/recruiters later on in the future.
I am looking at Chelmsford county high for my DD. Experienced parents could you please enlighten me on this.

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 Post subject: Re: SAT results
PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:21 pm 
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You have posted this in Herts.

Mods please move to Essex please


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 Post subject: Re: SAT results
PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:00 pm 
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Grammars do use KS2 test results as they are judged on progress from this starting point.

'Top tables' are a primary thing and many won't set in Year 7.


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 Post subject: Re: SAT results
PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:15 pm 
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i think i remember from the CCHS open day that they don't set the kids in year 7. (although i might have remembered wrong due the number of open days lately!)


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 Post subject: Re: SAT results
PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:57 pm 
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CCHS do not set girls for any subject (tell a lie, they set for PE! Sets 1,2 and 3). Even maths classes are mixed ability from Yr 7-Yr 11.

Luckily DD went to a school that did not have 'top tables' so I have never had to worry about this strange phenomenon!


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 Post subject: Re: SAT results
PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:23 pm 
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They don't set for p.e, p.e is done with the form group.


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 Post subject: Re: SAT results
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:26 am 
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They certainly used to set for PE.

I am sure I have told the story before on the forum of the huniliating lesson when they were divided into "PE able" and" PE less able ". That phrase has now become a family joke.


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 Post subject: Re: SAT results
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:47 am 
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I can't help with CCHS - but for info, Colchs set for maths only, I can't remember if they set part way through year 7 or if it was from year 8. I don't think SAT's tests matter at all. I seem to recall DD saying they had CATS tests early in year 7. That was probably used for targets and monitoring progress. I think the maths sets were determined based on class work/tests during year 7.

Girls do move up and down the sets too. It doesn't make any difference as they all cover the same material, but the pace will be faster and the possibly less explanation given in the top set. You would be better in the lower set if maths does not come naturally to you - the lower set is still expected to get A/A*, possibly a few B's.


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 Post subject: Re: SAT results
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:18 am 
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All lessons in Y7 at CCHS are taught in form classes.
In Y8, some lessons continue in form classes while others (Tech, Computing, PE, Maths, Biology, Chemistry and Physics) are "set". The sets seem to be pretty random. The sets do not appear to be ability based in anyway, and the "set class" stays together for all the "set lessons".


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 Post subject: Re: SAT results
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:36 am 
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From my experience of the Colchester grammar schools the Sats are not used by the school for anything that affects how the children are taught. The DoE use them as the entry point against which progress during KS3 is measured. But with significant numbers of year 7 pupils coming from schools that do not sit Sats, the grammar schools need other ways to set targets and group pupils than exams that not all all pupils have taken. I asked DS's Grammar school before he started, as we were concerned he may have underperformed in his Sats (he was in a hospital bed at the time!) and they said it would not matter as he would be assessed by the school once he had started.
With the new style sats I am also not convinced they would differenciate sufficiently to allow a gramnar school to set or stream pupils from them as all the children I know who obtained grammar school places last year, scored so highly that there would not be a wide enough range of scores.


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