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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:37 pm 
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Given that the example test papers each have 85 questions and one mark is awarded for each correct answer, do the actual tests have the same number of questions per paper. If so, how do they calculate 210 as the pass mark?
I am sure there is an explanation, but we have never discovered it.

Do older children face a deduction cf later births for all schools?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:37 pm 
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Its called standardisation and there has been a few discussions on what it is.

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=12196&p=137824

OR Here

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/standa ... scores.php
http://www.nfer.ac.uk/nfer/research/ass ... sation.cfm

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:08 am 
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Yep its standardisation!
Ive read those threads over and over in the last few weeks-still haven't a clue!I'm just putting my faith in the system(like There's anything else you can do?!)and hoping it all evens out...my dc is a November birth,so I'm guessing he will have a few marks "taken off"as such...all very weird :?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:28 am 
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A % score tells you how well your child did in a test, a standardised score tells you how well your child did compared with other children. The standardised score does not tell you anything about how many questions you answered correctly on a test. Therefore you can't directly compare a standardised score with a percentage score. For example in a very hard exam the top score could be 57% which could equate to a standardised score of 140. An easier exam 98% is top score and could equate to 140.

Marks are not technically added or taken away from children. They are being compared with children who are the same age (usually in years and months). So generally they need to score well against other children who are the same age.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:17 am 
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Thanks!for once that made sense.....Im sure we've all tried(and failed?)to work out how this standardisation thingie applies to our lo's.*sigh*...another part of this beast that is 11+!)Im starting to regret ever presenting the idea to ds....for MY sake,not his! :wink: )


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:18 pm 
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muminTewkes wrote:
Im sure we've all tried(and failed?)to work out how this standardisation thingie applies

I'm genetically incapable of understanding it, but Mitasol has brought me fractions of centimetres nearer. thank you!


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:03 pm 
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mitasol wrote:
A % score tells you how well your child did in a test, a standardised score tells you how well your child did compared with other children...


Nicely explained.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:54 pm 
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capers123 wrote:
mitasol wrote:
A % score tells you how well your child did in a test, a standardised score tells you how well your child did compared with other children...


Thanks for the replies. The one above is the best stab I have seen at explaning this crazy system.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:58 pm 
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that explanation was very helpful, but still confused on the age thing, my daughter is august birth, how will that help her? she's making 95-100% on most practice paper. She has her heart set on Pates, but i feel like it's playing the lotery getting in there! :? :?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:05 pm 
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Strictly speaking being born in August wont help her. Her score will be standardised with other August children. Historically the younger children score lower so a lower percentage score will normally give them a higher standardised score than say a September child.

Personally I do wonder how much tutoring affects the fairness of it all but Capers will tell me off if I get too critical of the standardisation process :wink:

Her scores sound good and make her a strong contender so all you can really do is wait. Not long now though so good luck.


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