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 Post subject: Help needed
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:41 am 
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Hello All ,
I really need feedback from parents who did 11plus tution from susan daughtrey or hatch end recently for CEM style as i need feedback for these two before i enroll my child for next year 5 course i am thinking of QE barnet and SW herts 11 plus .
I am not thinking of doing home tutoring because that is not working out for us.
But yes i will not mind doing checking work for tution and work with them in partnership
But am very unsure which one to go for .

Many Thanks in advance


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 Post subject: Re: Help needed
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:49 pm 
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Hi Vinu

Unfortunately, with SW Herts move to CEM Verbal Reasoning, a course with CEM focus won't be the best prep for QE (and vice versa).

Both use GL maths - the only difference being short answer vs multi-choice, but the although the CEM VR is much more like an English paper than old-style VR, you will still need to do some additional work for the QE English paper.

Are any of the tuition centres offering to cover both styles of exam?


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 Post subject: Re: Help needed
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:00 am 
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Thanks for reply , both the above tution do offer that i have confirmed , but don't have any feedback so just don't want to go ahead and enroll him.


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 Post subject: Re: Help needed
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:03 pm 
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Can't help you with that I'm afraid.

I know that the Hatch End one had a good reputation for SW Herts pre-CEM (probably because they, like many others, had the VR papers that the test was based on). Don't know anyone who used them last year.

I understand that you don't want to go DIY, we tutored.as well, but is there any reason you're keen on signing up for a year long commitment rather than using a private tutor.


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 Post subject: Re: Help needed
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:22 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Help needed
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:06 am 
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Our youngest daughter is with Hatch End atm and we've been impressed with the preparation.
She has a sibling place at WGSG but will sit the exam anyhow, as her older sisters both did the same. I feel, despite the larger group size, that Hatch End 11 plus has done a better job of preparing her for the SWHC 11+ exam than the tutor we used for our older two did. She's a bright kid though, and the most likely of our three girls to get an academic place off her own bat.
We wouldn't consider her sitting for HB.
It's probably worth noting that parents are expected to oversee quite a bit of homework and do a lot of marking.


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 Post subject: Re: Help needed
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:39 am 
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So how does it work then with parents having to do the marking? The marking is normally where the teaching goes on, especially in CEM. Do they give you the paper and the answers to sit and mark at home? Or do they sit in the study centre and mark at home?

Do they write their own CEM materials or do you have to buy them? DG


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 Post subject: Re: Help needed
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:48 pm 
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K1w1mum wrote:
Our youngest daughter is with Hatch End atm and we've been impressed with the preparation.
She has a sibling place at WGSG but will sit the exam anyhow, as her older sisters both did the same. I feel, despite the larger group size, that Hatch End 11 plus has done a better job of preparing her for the SWHC 11+ exam than the tutor we used for our older two did. She's a bright kid though, and the most likely of our three girls to get an academic place off her own bat.
We wouldn't consider her sitting for HB.
It's probably worth noting that parents are expected to oversee quite a bit of homework and do a lot of marking.


I have no personal experience of institutional (nor even outsider of any description) tutoring, so this may be the norm? but reading that last sentence caused the phrase 'keeping a dog and barking yourself' to pop into my mind for some reason :? .

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 Post subject: Re: Help needed
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:54 am 
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The norm is you pay tutors to teach your students. In my experience teaching takes place in feedback sessions after students have completed work.

If the marking is going on at home then the feedback is not being done in class and so when is the learning taking place?

If parents are being given the answers to enable them to mark at home then what are they actually paying for? Especially if the answers are to books that can be bought in Smiths?

Is teaching done first and then homework set and then the parents are given the answers to mark the homework?

It seems that it makes parents feel that progress is being made if lots of homework is being set. But if the parents are marking the homework themselves then why would they not just go and buy the books and do the whole thing themselves? DG


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 Post subject: Re: Help needed
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:09 pm 
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Hi, my son went to Hatch end last year and we would mark the work and then they would go over it in the class the following week with new work also as the classes were an hour and a half.

I had issues with my son becoming quite detached from studying and then not wanting to do it and I emailed Chris and that Saturday her son who is one of the teachers there had a down to earth boy to boy chat about the 11+ and reasons for doing it - which actually did the job....

My son loved going and still wishes to go back for his Saturday afternoon sessions....


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