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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:28 pm 
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This is our first time going through the secondary school application process, and we are bewildered, to say the least. If any of you 'experienced' parents can shed some light on our situation, it would be much appreciated! :D

Our daughter did much better than expected in the 11+ and her headmaster suggested we consider TOGS as an option. He explained that her score is unlikely to guarantee a place, but she should be in with a chance, depending on number of applicants and cut-offs this year. As we live relatively close to WOK, she would almost certainly be offered a place there, if we applied. To make matters more complicated, a friend just suggested we also look as TWGGS, as our daughter may be in with a chance of a governor's place there.

My question is: Does the order of choice in which we list schools on the application form, have any bearing on how likely DD is to be offered a place? I.e. if we put TOGS or TWGGS 1st, and WOK 2nd, and don't get offered 1st choice, as 11+score not high enough for this year's cut-off, might we miss out on 2nd choice, as WOK will have been allocated to girls putting it 1st? Or does each school make an offer independently, and KCC then allocate according to choice preference indicated on SCAF? I hope this makes sense to someone!

(I realise this is a 'technical' question, but don't want to bore you with our deliberations over which school would actually suit DD best! :roll: Just want to make sure we don't jeopardise a place at a great school, by going for a 'risky' option).


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:15 pm 
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It makes no difference to your chances to your chances of getting your second choice if you put another school which you then don't get a place at above it on the form.

The schools get to know who has listed them as a preference - any preference - in order to create a ranking list according to their admissions policies. But they don't even get to know whereabouts you placed them on the form. If you get your first preference you get struck off the lists of all the lower ones. If you don't you have exactly the same chance for your next choice as if you'd placed it first. And so on until you are allocated a place, at which point you are removed from the lists of all your lower preference schools.

Golden rule #1 is to put them down in your true order of preference - so grammars in order of preference above comps in order of preference as you'll be offered the first one that has a place for you.

Golden rule #2 is to make sure you put down somewhere on your form (last if needs be) a school you are sure you'll get a place at (usually your local school). Fail to do this and you risk ending up with no place at all, and just being allocated one at wherever is nearest and has spaces left after everyone else's preferences have been met. Every year there are some people who fall for the trap of thinking that if they only list one or two schools they must be given one of them - this is a fallacy!


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:40 am 
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Thank you! That's really helpful and has made the whole process much clearer.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:55 am 
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Hi, this is our first time too and we are in a similar position to you. Our DD has a borderline score for TGS, probably dependent on whether they decide to have an additional class again this year. I didn't want to risk putting TGS, not meeting the scores then missing out on our second choice (Invicta) to others who had put it first. I spoke to KCC (and the admissions officer at TGS who was very helpful) and have been told that this would not happen so effectively there's nothing to lose by putting it first, if it is actually your preference.

Having gone through all this angst though, I'm actually questioning if my preference is skewed by the fact that it is a super selective, and not because it is our favourite school, and whether we might just put Invicta first after all!! Will make final decision after open evening tonight.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:14 pm 
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anothermummy wrote:
I'm actually questioning if my preference is skewed by the fact that it is a super selective, and not because it is our favourite school, and whether we might just put Invicta first after all!! Will make final decision after open evening tonight


Please go with your favourite school and which ever you DD loves...my DD scored high enough to go to TGS but she loved Invicta more, attended workshops which she enjoyed and Invicta is closer to our home. The fact that she got full marks is not influencing me to go TGS because it is a superselective school...Both schools are equally very good and my personal opinion is that your DD will flourish in either school.

Also think about if your DD 'just' get in and then start struggling to keep up with her newly found friends (it may not happen but it does happen)at TGS as a higher percentage of the girls would have score very high whereas in Invicta it will be a mix bag-girls with various level of ability, so she might feel happier there and it will not matter if she is top in some subjects and average in other, whereas at TGS she might feel unhappy because she is average in most subjects and bottom for some - don't let the "super selective" status cloud your judgement.

Hope you enjoy your open evening and best of luck chosing the right school-I am nowhere near making a decison purely because my DD passed both Medway and Kent and she loved both Invicta and RGS equally. TGS will be our 3rd or 4th choice ...some people think I am mad because 423 is "super selective"!


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