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 Post subject: Maths
PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:20 pm 
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Maths help!!

Pens are sold at four for £5 and books are sold three for £4. Ken bought ann equal number of pens and books. He paid a total of £124. How many pens and books did he buy altogether?

Many Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Maths
PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:30 pm 
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Pens are sold at four for £5 and books are sold three for £4.
Ken bought ann equal number of pens and books. He paid a total of £124.
How many pens and books did he buy altogether?


pens: 4 8 12 16 20 24 ....

books: 3 6 9 12 15 18 21 24 ...

Look for common multiples which are 12, 24, 36
Now try to see which gives the correct amount.
12 pens =
12 books =

24 pens = ..etc


Look for common multiple


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 Post subject: Re: Maths
PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:38 pm 
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Thank-you so much Guest55 , prompt and clear...much appreciated!!


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 Post subject: Re: Maths
PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:39 pm 
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Guest 55, I do like the way you help with us to work the answer out, rather than doing it for us! I'm feeling far too lazy to work it out tonight, but if I had a mind to, yours swer would really help, ta!


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 Post subject: Re: Maths
PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:44 pm 
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Thank you :D

I think it's more helpful not to give a complete answer straight away ... if a hint doesn't help then, of course, I would add more.

Getting stuck is when children learn ...


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 Post subject: Re: Maths
PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:10 pm 
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Or they fling the book across the room, cry and swear, like one of mine does! Even though his teacher is really pleased with his work! :?


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 Post subject: Re: Maths
PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:05 am 
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rejim2 wrote:
Maths help!!

Pens are sold at four for £5 and books are sold three for £4. Ken bought ann equal number of pens and books. He paid a total of £124. How many pens and books did he buy altogether?

Many Thanks.


Alternatively if you said number of pens = number of books = x, you could write it out as:

(5/4)x + (4/3)x = 124

and solve for x.

Involves adding mixed fractions and a bit of algebra though, so Guest55's way is probably easier for 11 plussers.


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 Post subject: Re: Maths
PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:12 am 
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Yes, I would not recommend algebra and it is aimed to test understanding of common multiples.


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 Post subject: Re: Maths
PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:43 pm 
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Again as always I would encourage children to use a visual aid (bar model).
My yr 6 mids had a fab time solving complex algebra with Cuisenaire rods and recorded using algebra without manipulating complex equations.

So lovely to watch them fly prior to leaving primary.


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 Post subject: Re: Maths
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 6:42 am 
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moved wrote:
Again as always I would encourage children to use a visual aid (bar model).
My yr 6 mids had a fab time solving complex algebra with Cuisenaire rods and recorded using algebra without manipulating complex equations.

So lovely to watch them fly prior to leaving primary.


Brilliant way to do it Moved, I will pinch that idea!

The Cuinaire rods would make is visual, especially with the different colours.

By doing something like this it creates an understanding of the problem, rather than just doing algebra by rote.


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