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Maths Question Help - Alleyn's Sample 11+ Paper, Question 26

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:46 pm
by Jaxx
Place the numbers 1 to 9 inclusive, one each, in these gaps to make this sum correct:

- - - - x 3 = - - - - -


Any help with how to approach this question (and the answer) would be greatly received. There just seem to be too many possible combinations to trial and error this, so I must be missing something!

Re: Maths Question Help - Alleyn's Sample 11+ Paper, Questio

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:45 pm
by PurpleDuck
I haven't had a go at it myself, but the first thing to bear in mind is that the sum of the digits making the answer has to be divisible by 3 (from divisibility rules).

Also, the answer has to be less than 30,000 because 30,000 divided by 3 is a 5-digit number and you need to multiply a 4-digit number by 3 to get a 5-digit number answer. This means that the first digit in the answer cannot be bigger than 2 and that should give you a clue as to what digit the first number may be starting with.

(x-posted with Guest55 :) )

Re: Maths Question Help - Alleyn's Sample 11+ Paper, Questio

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:50 pm
by Guest55
Start with the units digit on the left - are there some numbers you can eliminate?

Re: Maths Question Help - Alleyn's Sample 11+ Paper, Questio

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:54 pm
by see
5832*3=17496

Re: Maths Question Help - Alleyn's Sample 11+ Paper, Questio

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:58 pm
by Guest55
Sorry - 'see' - what is the point of posting an answer? This does not help the OP at all :cry:

Re: Maths Question Help - Alleyn's Sample 11+ Paper, Questio

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:00 pm
by PurpleDuck
See - you've just taken away Jaxx's entertainment for the weekend...

Re: Maths Question Help - Alleyn's Sample 11+ Paper, Questio

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:55 pm
by mumsdarling2
I too got the same answer as above. I focussed on 5 first. Since 5x3=15 and we cannot have two fives, I thought that perhaps 5 was a part of the 4 digit number. It might then have got a carry over of 1 or 2 from the previous number changing the multiplication so that the answer would no longer have a 5 in it. Also it was no use having 51,52 or 53 as they were not providing a carry over of 1 or 2.
51x3=153, 52x3=156, 53x3=159.
So the number after 5 needed to be 4 or more.
example: 54x3=162
Then I wrote down the remaining digits and picked the ones that satisfied the 3x table rule. I inserted them at the end of the 3 digit answer (above) to make it a 5-digit number and see if it worked. From this point it was trial and improvement I am afraid.

It did take me a while. How are the children expected to do this in a short amount of time I wonder.

Re: Maths Question Help - Alleyn's Sample 11+ Paper, Questio

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:58 pm
by see
Its another answer 5823*3=17469 we can inter change 2 and 3 because that multiple 3 have no carry

Re: Maths Question Help - Alleyn's Sample 11+ Paper, Questio

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:29 pm
by Guest55
Please stop posting answers and explain how to tackle the question.

Answers don't help someone tackle a similar question in the future.