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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:47 pm 
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I've had letters published in last week's Messenger and Advertiser (not yet on the websites) asking questions about the evidence base, selection methods and operation of 11+ exams in our borough. Agree or not with my questions, let the papers know your experiences and views.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:23 pm 
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1. Does the selective system lead to better overall educational outcomes for Trafford compared to LEAs with a similar socio-economic population without selective systems?

2. Are the 11+ exams good predictors of future educational achievement and are they genuinely meritocratic - or do the children of parents able to afford private tuition out do the rest?

3. Are the entrance exams effectively run, or could the same result be achieved with less stress and unpleasantness for our 10 year olds?

I'm also interested in who is in charge of education in the borough. I suspect no-one, which makes changes and improvements difficult to achieve.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:39 pm 
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Chrisps wrote:
1. Does the selective system lead to better overall educational outcomes for Trafford compared to LEAs with a similar socio-economic population without selective systems?


There are lists available of LEA and various outcomes - I suppose what you would have to do is decide what outcome you are looking for ... GCSE / University places / ability to manage a tax return / value added / A levels etc etc and then decide what socio-economic determinant you will use to compare. There are plenty to chose from. - commonest are : FSM / unemployment / lone parents / single pensioner households / households with no working adult / households with no car / level of education of head of household etc etc

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I'm also interested in who is in charge of education in the borough. I suspect no-one, which makes changes and improvements difficult to achieve


Presumably they have a director of education? Councillors?

ETA: here is a list of LEAs by some education variable (right hand side of the page - rest is Yorkshire stuff)
http://www2.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/league ... %20NEW.pdf


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:37 am 
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Margaret Woodhouse is the Director of Education and Early Years Services in Trafford , and as well as OFSTED Trafford Education Dept do their own inspections of schools.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:02 pm 
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The LEA are required to consult on the admission arrangements every three years (until recently it was every year). The next consultation begins in November http://www.trafford.gov.uk/educationand ... ments2013/

Each LEA also has an admissions forum who consider the effectiveness of admissions arrangements. http://www.trafford.gov.uk/educationand ... ionsforum/


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:08 pm 
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In relation to selective testing - you may be interested in the following where VR test validity in Buckinghamshire was considered by the school adjudicator viewtopic.php?f=12&t=17007

Full adjudication can be found in the link - scroll down to Buckinghamshire, October 2010 http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... &order=lea


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:06 pm 
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A Trafford councillor has provided some useful data for my first question. Using the 5 GCSE A*-C measure, Trafford has 5th best in country (71.2%).

Trafford's grammar schools v national average for grammar schools: 98.2% v 98.6%

Trafford's high schools v national average for high (ie non-grammar schools in selective systems): 51.2% v 50.4%.

National average for comprehensives: 57.4%

On the face of it, for this measure of educational outcomes, Trafford's schools perform well.

Any thoughts?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:11 pm 
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Hi Chris
I saw your letter in the Messenger, so I find the reply from the councillor quite interesting, albeit a little confusing. I have never seen league table data disaggregated in this way; did the councillor have access to a 'special' source. It appears that Trafford's grammars perform slightly below the national average and our secondary moderns slightly above the average. Although I am no statistician, I struggle to see how these figures would equate to the 5th best LEA nationally for the 5 GCSE A*-C measure. I am confused! :?


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