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 Post subject: Bond 10 minute VR tests
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:17 pm 
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Anybody got any idea which of the Bond 10 minute test books is more likely to equate to 11+ standard - the "10-11+ years" or the "11-12+ years"?


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11 -12+


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Dear Bexley Mum 2

That depends on which publisher your area/school uses for the 11 plus. If its Nfer then Bond are of no use.

Nfer 21 types

Bond 50 types - Of those 50 types only 17 are relevant, 4 are missing, 33 are of no relevance.

Patricia


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Hi Patricia

We're in Kent and the publisher of the 11+ here is Nfer. How can I find out which of the Bond type questions are relevant to us ( ie which are the 17 types that you refer to) and also how can I find out what the other 4 types of questions are which are not in the Bond published papers ( and where can I get examples?).

I was under the impression from talking to other parents that Bond papers were the best for familiarising/practicing for the Kent test ( bearing in mind that there are a very limited no of Nfer papers avaailable), but from what you say this isn't correct. What publisher would you recommend for Kent?

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Twinkle


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Hi,

Although I live in Bucks our verbal reasoning test is NFER.

I started with the BOND papers before I became familiar with this site but soon realised that they are not good prepartation.

Patricia lists the papers to use and the best order to approach them as follows. I have pasted the info. below from the Bucks section. Good Luck!

Publishers which currently cover the 21 types required for Bucks include:
AFN [slightly easier] IPS, Susan Daughtrey [Bright Sparks only, NOT her books 1-7], The Tutors, Walsh, Learning Lab

GL Assessment, who publish the Bucks tests only contain 15 types of questions...it is therefore necessary to practice HIKNOS while completing these tests. [HIKNOS are 6 types as identified by IPS]

I would recommend that you start by buying a method and technique book in order to teach yourself how approach each of the questions [IPS]

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/books/list.php?ex=85

Or download the Tutors M and T free resource.

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/pdf/th ... hnique.pdf

IPS also publishes a book containing a selection of each type. Before you administer your first test, teach your child the types contained in that test using the IPS additional questions book, continue this method for the first few tests.

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/books/list.php?ex=90

Use tests in the following order�..

1] IPS, 10 tests 50 questions, 30 minutes [shorter tests good to begin with]

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/books/list.php?ex=88

2] THE TUTORS, 12 tests, 80 questions, 50 minutes�..these come as E papers or in packs of 4 [a good middle range of full tests]

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/books/ ... p?g=f&p=21

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/epaper ... =f&c=1&p=6

3] SUSAN DAUGHTREY [Bright Sparks only], 80 questions 50 minutes..2 packs each pack contains 4 tests [ nearer to the standard of the real tests]

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/books/list.php?ex=120

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/books/list.php?ex=309

4] GL assessment, 4 tests, 85 questions 50 minutes [remember to practice HIKNOS from IPS when completing these tests, also need to cross off the last 5 questions, as the real test only has 80 not 85] A tad easier than the real tests and practiced tests found in school, but good to practice in the same format as the real tests.

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/books/list.php?ex=14

Between steps 1-4 you could [but do not necessarily have to] use the 2 CDs produced by THE TUTORS, Vol.1 contains 50 questions of each type. Vol.2 contains 12 tests.

I would also use Walsh during session time between tests, particulary towards the end, they are good for Vocabulary. However please note that they use brackets in types I AND G which of course are not used by GL assessment.

Do not start until the New Year, between now and then [and for the rest of year 5] ensure your child reads out aloud to you at least 3 times a week, making note of all unknown vocabulary. Vocabulary is without a doubt the biggest problem area. Codes and Maths can be rote learnt. Seeing words out of context will always throw children.

See the following link, for my list of words with an explanation of how to use flash cards as an aid. In addition there is my list of compound words [with games]

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/pdf/11 ... tricia.pdf

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/pdf/11 ... tricia.pdf

There are 4 types of maths questions, they are not rocket science, BUT require an ability to quickly recall the 4 maths operations i.e. adding, subtraction, multiplying and dividing. The quicker the child can recall, the more time can be spent on codes [easy marks, but time consuming] Basically if you ask for 8 x 7 you want the answer 56, now not in 10 seconds time, once they know their times tables inside out and back to front [ up to 12 x] then division becomes easy. Adding and subtraction should be practiced using numbers under 150�.try making up games, giving quick fire questions in the car, out for walks etc.

This forum is a wealth of information, look around, take note and get teaching! Any problems just ask, there is always someone willing to help.

Patricia


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:14 pm 
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Twinkle

Tutors CD 1 is suitable . as are the GL/Nfer Papers

The tutors free download methods and techniques for VR is excellent, The first 15 are covered in the Kent Test.

Very occasionally on of the other 6 questions crops up, so it may be worth doing a bit of practice in those 2.

Susan Daughtrey Bright Sparks papers are good too although they do cover all 21 types for Bucks.#


Make sure vocabulary, knowledge of synonyms, antonyms and homonyms is good, ther are lots of games online to help with that.

Also multiplication tables and square, cubed and prime numbers.

PM if you need any more info and I will try to help out if I can


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Yoyo123 and Bucks Mum 1

Thanks for your speedy responses!

Twinkle


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I was planning to send you a pm but I can't work out how to do it. I am probably being super thick this afternoon - can you point me in the right direction?

Thanks

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Look at the post of the person you want to pm and in the bottom, towards the left hand corner there is an icon for PM'ing them, click on it and away you go!

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Thanks Snowdrops - so obvious now I can see it!


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