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 Post subject: First past the Post papers..Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:25 pm

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I was very keen to buy these papers as obviously the authors are connected to this site. I think they are really quite difficult - does anyone else have an opinion - would hesitate to get my DS to do these, especially after looking at PAPER A.

Q.48:

76 76 ÷ 2 = 2 + 3 x ( ? ) Answer = 12, explanation ‘If you substitute ? = 12 then you reach the solution: 76 ÷ 2 = 2 + 3 x 12 ( which equals 38 )

Q. 49

15 x 3 – 2 = 3 + 8 x ( ? ) Answer = 5, explanation ‘if you substitute ? = 5 then you reach the solution: 15 x 3 – 2 = 3 + 8 x 5 ( which equals 43 )

Surely these questions can’t be correct as they don’t follow the BODMAS/BIDMAS mathematical rules?

Any thoughts, from anyone who has bought this series of papers?

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 Post subject: Re: First past the Post papers..Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:37 pm

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Looks like there is a technique to be learnt there so once you have done a few they seems relatively easy. I cant see how they are verbal reasoning though, or am I missing something?

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 Post subject: Re: First past the Post papers..Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:08 pm

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Q.48:

76 76 ÷ 2 = 2 + 3 x ( ? ) Answer = 12, explanation ‘If you substitute ? = 12 then you reach the solution: 76 ÷ 2 = 2 + 3 x 12 ( which equals 38 )

This is correct. Using BODMAS you need to do the multiplication first and then the addition. 3x12=36
36+2 = 38

And 76/2 = 38

Are they suggesting that there is a different answer?

Q= 49

15 x 3 – 2 = 3 + 8 x ( ? ) Answer = 5, explanation ‘if you substitute ? = 5 then you reach the solution: 15 x 3 – 2 = 3 + 8 x 5 ( which equals 43 )

Again I think this works:

15x3=45
45-2=43

And for the other side of the equation:
8x5=40
3+40=43

Sorry if I have got the wrong end of the stick. I don't know the papers concerned so am just looking at the maths of it.

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 Post subject: Re: First past the Post papers..Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:25 pm

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The questions are correct mathematically, but they are not in the usual format for GL Assessment papers.

The VR papers are at the more difficult end of the spectrum. I can't comment on the others because I haven't looked at them yet.

anotherworriedmum wrote:
I cant see how they are verbal reasoning though, or am I missing something?

Almost all VR papers contain a few maths questions. There are four maths question types on GL papers, link here: http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/advice ... t-a-glance

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 Post subject: Re: First past the Post papers..Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:11 pm

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I think these are definitely at the harder end of the spectrum. These were challenging fr my daughter and she has got 80% in each of the two she's done so far. Normally she gets about 86% on average, sometimes more in the letts, GL and nfer....
The vocab is definitely harder too, probably more akin to the Walsh papers.

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