DD chances for NOn such
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My DD has passed NWET but has scored only 284 and we are out of catchment. Do we stand a chance , can we select it as one of the top option.
Please advice,
Thanks,
Please advice,
Thanks,
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Re: DD chances for NOn such
Ananad,
As far as I can recall, the ooc cut-off did not go down to the 280s last year even after waiting list. As far as I can see OOC offers from waiting list were still a little over 300 in May 2016, but would have gone down a bit from there by September.
However, if you really like the school and have enough slots on your CAF, there is nothing to stop you putting it at position number one on the CAF. That will enable you to get on the waiting list and you never know, things might go your way if, for example lots more families put Wallington (or other schools) or there are ooc families who never really had Nonsuch as a serious option and so don't put it high on their CAF.
If you put it on your CAF, below a school you are likely to get, you will be offered that school and never get on the Nonsuch waiting list.
As far as I can recall, the ooc cut-off did not go down to the 280s last year even after waiting list. As far as I can see OOC offers from waiting list were still a little over 300 in May 2016, but would have gone down a bit from there by September.
However, if you really like the school and have enough slots on your CAF, there is nothing to stop you putting it at position number one on the CAF. That will enable you to get on the waiting list and you never know, things might go your way if, for example lots more families put Wallington (or other schools) or there are ooc families who never really had Nonsuch as a serious option and so don't put it high on their CAF.
If you put it on your CAF, below a school you are likely to get, you will be offered that school and never get on the Nonsuch waiting list.
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Re: DD chances for NOn such
Apologies for piggy-backing onto this thread, does anyone know what the in catchment score went down to for Nonsuch / Wallington Girls in previous years?
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hi, we also like nonsuch but are ooc, could anyone throw some light on what was the ooc cut-off score last year ? or , suggest a safe ooc score for this year ?
would last years data be roughly similar to this years, in terms of ooc cut off scores. any feedback very much appreciated...
would last years data be roughly similar to this years, in terms of ooc cut off scores. any feedback very much appreciated...
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I am not sure that this year's scoring is necessarily comparable with previous years. The only time that the "order" on the CAF comes into issue is if you qualify for more than one school on the CAF. Whether you put Nonsuch 1st or 6th does not affect the chance of you qualifying for a place. It does mean however that if you qualify for 2 or more schools you will only get an offer from the one you have listed higher. In other words if Nonsuch is your preferred school you need to put it higher than the other schools on the CAF.
I really would recommend that you do so without putting too much emphasis on the mark that your dd has received. The main factor in determining the cut-off is the proportion of girls who have passed who have placed other schools for which they qualify ahead of Nonsuch on their CAF. This is the first year where Wallington and Nonsuch have had a joint 2nd round. There will be at least 100 girls who sat the 2nd round only to put Wallington on the list - the journey to Nonsuch would be too far to consider for the many girls who qualified from Croydon say. This year's cut off marks should therefore be lower than previous years to take into account that it includes many girls who only wanted one of the Sutton girls schools. It is difficult to say at the moment exactly how low the cutoff will be.
I really would recommend that you do so without putting too much emphasis on the mark that your dd has received. The main factor in determining the cut-off is the proportion of girls who have passed who have placed other schools for which they qualify ahead of Nonsuch on their CAF. This is the first year where Wallington and Nonsuch have had a joint 2nd round. There will be at least 100 girls who sat the 2nd round only to put Wallington on the list - the journey to Nonsuch would be too far to consider for the many girls who qualified from Croydon say. This year's cut off marks should therefore be lower than previous years to take into account that it includes many girls who only wanted one of the Sutton girls schools. It is difficult to say at the moment exactly how low the cutoff will be.
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Re: DD chances for NOn such
ladymuck, thankyou for replying. that was very helpful
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Hi Ladymuck,Ladymuck wrote:I am not sure that this year's scoring is necessarily comparable with previous years. The only time that the "order" on the CAF comes into issue is if you qualify for more than one school on the CAF. Whether you put Nonsuch 1st or 6th does not affect the chance of you qualifying for a place. It does mean however that if you qualify for 2 or more schools you will only get an offer from the one you have listed higher. In other words if Nonsuch is your preferred school you need to put it higher than the other schools on the CAF.
I really would recommend that you do so without putting too much emphasis on the mark that your dd has received. The main factor in determining the cut-off is the proportion of girls who have passed who have placed other schools for which they qualify ahead of Nonsuch on their CAF. This is the first year where Wallington and Nonsuch have had a joint 2nd round. There will be at least 100 girls who sat the 2nd round only to put Wallington on the list - the journey to Nonsuch would be too far to consider for the many girls who qualified from Croydon say. This year's cut off marks should therefore be lower than previous years to take into account that it includes many girls who only wanted one of the Sutton girls schools. It is difficult to say at the moment exactly how low the cutoff will be.
Thankyou for sharing your views. I am concerned about one point: this year the number of girls qualified and ranked is 800+, approximately double of the number passed, approx 450, last year, with more or less range of standardised scores remaining same. Therefore, considering the standardised scores represent same percentile rank as last time, wouldn't the rank of girl achieving the same score as last year be almost double. e.g. say a dd scored 306 ( percentile rank of 55%) last year with approximate rank of 202 last year in a cohort of 450 DDs, this year same score of 306 (percentile rank of 55%) would have fetched a rank of 378. In this scenario the cut off might not come down, rather it can go up for one school say Nonsuch - if Nonsuch is preferred more than Wallington. In case both schools are equally popular then I believe the cut off scores might remain same or come down.
In this scenario, it will be good to get your or others view on the desirability of both the schools among the girls. Is one school preferred over another in general or it is more divided across the geographical area?
Cheers WorkingMum
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The standardisation process has given some strange results this year, without a doubt. I think that there is a possibility that the standard deviation was smaller than usual indicating that many results are bunched around the mean. Certainly I've seen standardised scores which equate to 3 standard deviations away from the mean.
As the 2 schools are now under the same executive head, the same trust, it is inevitable that many of the policies which determine the nature of school performance and life will be determined jointly (as can be seen in the admissions process). From this point on more than ever, geography should be a key consideration. Examining the results of schools who set entrance exams in different subjects from one another 5/7 years ago under separate management with different boards in place isn't necessarily the most accurate predictor as to where the schools will be in 5 years time (especially as the intake has expanded as well). The schools will keep an individual identity of course, but there would be little to justify a more difficult journey.
The schools themselves choose how many girls to pass. They don't set this by default, but they are aware of the current addresses of all who registered for the tests, as well as their scores. They will have passed more girls than they need to fill PAN, and some will be disappointed. Nevertheless, at this moment I don't think that anyone should be deterred from naming Nonsuch on their CAF, or putting it in their true order of preference because they think that they do or do not meet the cutoff. The school itself doesn't know what the cutoff will be - it doesn't even yet know how many of the 800+ will name it.
As the 2 schools are now under the same executive head, the same trust, it is inevitable that many of the policies which determine the nature of school performance and life will be determined jointly (as can be seen in the admissions process). From this point on more than ever, geography should be a key consideration. Examining the results of schools who set entrance exams in different subjects from one another 5/7 years ago under separate management with different boards in place isn't necessarily the most accurate predictor as to where the schools will be in 5 years time (especially as the intake has expanded as well). The schools will keep an individual identity of course, but there would be little to justify a more difficult journey.
The schools themselves choose how many girls to pass. They don't set this by default, but they are aware of the current addresses of all who registered for the tests, as well as their scores. They will have passed more girls than they need to fill PAN, and some will be disappointed. Nevertheless, at this moment I don't think that anyone should be deterred from naming Nonsuch on their CAF, or putting it in their true order of preference because they think that they do or do not meet the cutoff. The school itself doesn't know what the cutoff will be - it doesn't even yet know how many of the 800+ will name it.
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Re: DD chances for NOn such
Thanks Ladymuck for your observations. While waiting and conjuring scenarios all sensible inputs help in resolving uncertaininty. At least I hope so -:)
Cheers Workingmom
Cheers Workingmom