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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:06 pm 
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Here is a bit of good news - pupils from independent schools are picking up a large proportion of the bursaries being offered by Oxford University: http://www.cherwell.org/content/11497

It rather proves the nonsense of trying to force Oxbridge to take more state school pupils in the misguided belief that that will help the poor.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:19 pm 
so 2/3 go to non-indie pupils...


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:52 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:03 pm 
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I really cannot understand why anyone is surprised to find that you cannot get into an elite and meritocratic university by coming from a useless family, going to a useless school, obtaining useless results at GCSE and obtaining useless results at A-level.

"Looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, perhaps it is a duck!??"

I am not trying to be nasty but Oxford university should not have to deal with all this criticism simply because they refuse to bow to political correctness and let people in just because they live in Hackney.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:33 pm 
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magwich - you may come from a "good" family but clearly you haven't learned any manners, still less what is right and wrong. Just tell me which independent school you are involved with so that I can avoid it.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:45 pm 
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“Of students coming to Oxford University with household incomes under £25k, who then automatically qualify for a full Oxford Opportunity Bursary, 31.6% are from schools in the independent sector.”


May be they came from independent schools because they benefited from scholarships and/or bursaries and so are the elite academically!


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:21 pm 
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To "ealingmum" - I do not come from any independent school - my DDs both went to grammar schools and my DC is about to take the 11+ but I do get fed up with inverted snobbery.
My DD worked her socks off to get to Oxford and she gets more than fed up with calls for Oxford to take the intellectually crippled on the grounds of political correctness.
There is, for the avoidance of doubt, only one way to get into Oxford ( thank the Lord) and its really very simple, Very hard work together with being very bright andlong may that continue.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:47 pm 
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magwich2 wrote:
There is, for the avoidance of doubt, only one way to get into Oxford ( thank the Lord) and its really very simple, Very hard work together with being very bright andlong may that continue.


Unfortunately you have missed something out from the above magwich, which is also coming from the right school. As, however much you like to disagree, there are very hard working very bright children who do not have the support, whether from school or parents, to gain a place at Oxford.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:10 pm 
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SSM wrote:
Unfortunately you have missed something out from the above magwich, which is also coming from the right school. As, however much you like to disagree, there are very hard working very bright children who do not have the support, whether from school or parents, to gain a place at Oxford.


But then surely attempts should be made to change the mindset of those schools and parents not of Oxford University


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:26 am 
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SSM, what did you mean about coming from the right school? You said you thought that there were very bright, very hardworking students who would not get into Oxford if they went to the wrong school. Why? If they're very bright and very hardworking they stand a pretty good chance. Although of course places are limited and there are more very bright and hardworking applicants than there are places.

What do you mean by "the wrong school"? I think it might be the other way round - that there are some schools (certain independents) who like to think they have a special link still with certain colleges etc, and this helps them sell the school to prospective parents. But if the student hasn't got it, they don't get in.

I think the biggest thing with the disproportionate numbers from the indie sector getting in are because, if you don't apply you can't get a place there.

And if you think about it carefully, it is quite likely that a fair proportion of Oxbridge bursaries will go to indie school pupils for the reasons others have given above.


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