Level Six English Paper
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My DS will be doing the level 6 SATS. There is no specific teaching for level 6 or anything, the 'top' kids in each subject just do them. They did a practice (last year's paper) earlier in the week so that the teacher could decide how a couple of them would cope, but that's about it.
I heard - not 100% reliable chain of gossip - that the children that did the level 6 maths papers last year did not get them marked unless they scored high enough on the level 5 paper. So a child missed the cutoff by 1 point and therefore his level 6 paper was just binned. I've no idea how true this is or whether it works for English. The person that told me this didn't seem to think that this allowed any margin for 'daft errors' on the first paper, hence those that were expected to get level 6 didn't. I've no idea how true this is. I have parents evening tonight and not much to say so I could ask - but I don't want the teacher to think I am bothered about SATS.
I heard - not 100% reliable chain of gossip - that the children that did the level 6 maths papers last year did not get them marked unless they scored high enough on the level 5 paper. So a child missed the cutoff by 1 point and therefore his level 6 paper was just binned. I've no idea how true this is or whether it works for English. The person that told me this didn't seem to think that this allowed any margin for 'daft errors' on the first paper, hence those that were expected to get level 6 didn't. I've no idea how true this is. I have parents evening tonight and not much to say so I could ask - but I don't want the teacher to think I am bothered about SATS.
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No you really have to pretend that you don't care about anything at all, then you'll get told more.
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It's the first teacher of his that I have liked for years. I went on a school trip with them yesterday and chatted to her so it feels a bit wierd to have a formal 10 minutes. But I suppose we should talk about DS rather than realising that we went to the same schools (but she is so much younger than me our paths never crossed). I need to learn to sit quiet and see what they say as usually I go into nervous chatter mode.
I have 3 parents evening meetings in a row. 2 normally does me in as one teacher makes me cry and I forget to listen to the second. And DS2 is only in reception and it is his first parents evening and that is the last appt, so I have to keep my wits about me. I also suspect there will be more to say about him
(Sorry, off topic).
I have 3 parents evening meetings in a row. 2 normally does me in as one teacher makes me cry and I forget to listen to the second. And DS2 is only in reception and it is his first parents evening and that is the last appt, so I have to keep my wits about me. I also suspect there will be more to say about him
(Sorry, off topic).
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The more that you learn, the more places you'll go. Dr Seuss
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All the papers are marked, none are binned, but to be awarded level 6 your child must have achieved a level 5 in the 3-5 test.JRM wrote:I heard - not 100% reliable chain of gossip - that the children that did the level 6 maths papers last year did not get them marked unless they scored high enough on the level 5 paper. So a child missed the cutoff by 1 point and therefore his level 6 paper was just binned. I've no idea how true this is or whether it works for English. The person that told me this didn't seem to think that this allowed any margin for 'daft errors' on the first paper, hence those that were expected to get level 6 didn't. I've no idea how true this is.
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According to DD's teacher that is not true. She said you cannot "pass" a Level 6 paper with the KS2 syllabus and that extra teaching has to be done, like πr^2 is the area of a circle for example. Maybe some schools are doing this in class anyway for the more able children? She was very specific that it's not just extended KS2 problem solving.JRM wrote:There is no specific teaching for level 6 or anything, the 'top' kids in each subject just do them.
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Formulae are given in the paper, so that children are not disadvantaged by not having covered the entire level 6 programme of study.
Some contexts are easier to extend into than others. It isn't difficult for the top table to work on volume when the rest of the class is working on area, whereas equations of lines will require specific teaching. I've seen this done really well recently with counters in a primary cluster group meeting.
Some contexts are easier to extend into than others. It isn't difficult for the top table to work on volume when the rest of the class is working on area, whereas equations of lines will require specific teaching. I've seen this done really well recently with counters in a primary cluster group meeting.
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What is the area of a circle doing in a Level 6 English paper?!
Never realised it would be level 6 maths either .... remember doing it myself in about year 4 or 5 in prehistoric times.
Never realised it would be level 6 maths either .... remember doing it myself in about year 4 or 5 in prehistoric times.
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Oops I had forgotten that it was the Level 6 English paper being discussed heremystery wrote:What is the area of a circle doing in a Level 6 English paper?!
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Hi all!
I really would not get hung up over the Year 6 Level 6 mullarkey, I really would not.
When I taught Year 7s in a secondary school, I knew within weeks who had 'that certain something' and who did not. Teachers generally know without looking at the data sent from primary schools. This data is also often treated with scepticism.
What counts in English are things like how pupils respond to literature, the play of ideas, how they speak and, especially, how they write. In Maths, a particular type of problem solving ability is obvious to the teacher quite early on.
In my DD's case, she wanted to do no maths at all after January in year 6, after her various 11+ exams. At the same time, she was clearly bored. So I agreed with her teacher that I print off two Level 4-6 KS3 papers for her to attempt, without preparation. This gave her some stimulation and, equally importantly, it gave her some additional confidence.
For her English, there was no assessment beyond the basic KS2 tests at school. She just kept on reading more and more challenging novels, she kept on with her storywriting and became ever more engaged with current affairs, articulating her views and debating issues. This was immediately picked up by her Year 7 English teacher who especially encouraged and challenged her. She has been flying ever since. Levels were never mentioned.
I really would not get hung up over the Year 6 Level 6 mullarkey, I really would not.
When I taught Year 7s in a secondary school, I knew within weeks who had 'that certain something' and who did not. Teachers generally know without looking at the data sent from primary schools. This data is also often treated with scepticism.
What counts in English are things like how pupils respond to literature, the play of ideas, how they speak and, especially, how they write. In Maths, a particular type of problem solving ability is obvious to the teacher quite early on.
In my DD's case, she wanted to do no maths at all after January in year 6, after her various 11+ exams. At the same time, she was clearly bored. So I agreed with her teacher that I print off two Level 4-6 KS3 papers for her to attempt, without preparation. This gave her some stimulation and, equally importantly, it gave her some additional confidence.
For her English, there was no assessment beyond the basic KS2 tests at school. She just kept on reading more and more challenging novels, she kept on with her storywriting and became ever more engaged with current affairs, articulating her views and debating issues. This was immediately picked up by her Year 7 English teacher who especially encouraged and challenged her. She has been flying ever since. Levels were never mentioned.
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Long Journey wrote:According to DD's teacher that is not true. She said you cannot "pass" a Level 6 paper with the KS2 syllabus and that extra teaching has to be done, like πr^2 is the area of a circle for example. Maybe some schools are doing this in class anyway for the more able children? She was very specific that it's not just extended KS2 problem solving.JRM wrote:There is no specific teaching for level 6 or anything, the 'top' kids in each subject just do them.
I think the theory is that they are taught and extended to their ability generally rather than having a specific group or lesson aimed at a level 6 SATS paper. But who knows. I'm more curious about the English because as I say I don't know anything about levels and how to assess them personally. Maths is second nature and things like πr^2 are just general knowledge in this house. That's why it's useful that they get a more rounded education at school.
The more that you read, the more things you will know.
The more that you learn, the more places you'll go. Dr Seuss
The more that you learn, the more places you'll go. Dr Seuss