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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:59 pm 
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Hi there

A quick question with regards to year 4 optional SATs papers, i.e. the papers they practice and take at the end of year 4.

I wondered if they generally use the same KS2 SATs papers for levels 3-5 as the year 5 and 6 classes use, or are they different?

Many thanks all


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:01 pm 
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They are different. The papers were written to test the content that would have been covered by the end of yr 4.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:07 pm 
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moved wrote:
They are different. The papers were written to test the content that would have been covered by the end of yr 4.

Many thanks moved for your quick response.

Do you know if you can access past papers for year 4 or does each school write their own bespoke papers?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:11 pm 
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Schools buy papers from the DfE. Wigan produced these years ago, but they are still useful

http://www.wiganschoolsonline.net/curri ... ssess.shtm


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:05 pm 
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Villagedad wrote:

Do you know if you can access past papers for year 4 or does each school write their own bespoke papers?


Most schools use the same papers every year. Please do not bother doing any practice. The school shouldn't either. These tests are used in amongst other assessments to inform the teacher and school of how a pupil / class / group are progressing. Results should be analysed and help to inform future planning.

A few years ago a pupil in my class did unexpectedly well in these assessments (results didn't match any other assessments at all) and I knew one parent also taught the same year group at another school and so I asked the pupil if they had practised and unsurprisingly they had! Total waste of time. No idea why the parent did it - can only think they wanted the child to be top (as they were always asking where they were in the class), child still wasn't top. Parent not teaching any more either. All very odd.

Anyway don't do any revision - waste of time. Do something more interesting instead.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:53 pm 
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they are the same every year, just let him be a child!


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:20 am 
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Can you explain a bit more please? I don't want to see the test papers but I want to know, for maths, what levels can be gained from optional test papers at the end of year 4? If as you say the papers were written to test "year 4 material" (whatever that is) presumably they only test to a particular level? Please can you explain a bit more how it all works. It is all mystery to me at the moment, yet it must be very simple.
Thanks.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:44 pm 
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Two papers: paper A (level 2 to 3) then if they get level 3 then do paper B (level 3 to 4).


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:12 pm 
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The only advantage that I have seen to the new draft curriculum is the demise of levels and level chasing!


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