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 Post subject: 119 on both papers
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:16 am 
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Hi All

Just thought I would check in to appeals, again!!!!!

My DS did not pass, he got 119 on both papers, I saw the head yesterday who is going to support the appeal 100%, he is going to give me his completed form at the end of the week, I think he has given him a 2:2 recommendation.

Having been through this before (2 years ago DD got 119 on both papers) I am concerned that we don't have any extenuating circumstances and a 2:2 recommendation. DS was assessed in school for Dyslexia in Year 4, it came out that he had dyslexic tendencies specifically in the segmentation of words. He has been working on this by doing a dyslexic scheme at school and at home and he has really improved recently, but he did find the vocab questions difficult. Is this something we should use in appeal or avoid using as it maybe shows he is not suitable for grammar.

We feel he is suited to grammar school and his sister is flourishing at her school (her appeal was sucessful) is this something we should mention.

He is predicted level 5 for Maths and Science and English if he works hard over the next few months.

Thanks for your time, I really appreciate your help.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:50 am 
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I am from a totally different region so dont know anythig about how your appeal panel thinks! but experiences might be of some use:
Have children with SLDs who receive extra time in external exams as a result.
They were not allowed extra time in the 11+ but youngest was allowed help with completing multiple choice answer sheet.
All 3 have/are doing well - eldest is Oxbridge undergrad :) so I dont see any reason why the assessment should lead anyone to believe he is not GS material?
Just an idea - if you can show that the programme he is following has resulted in some improvement then could you arguethat by start of year 7 further progress will have been made?

Sure the experts will be along soon!


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 Post subject: Re: 119 on both papers
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:51 am 
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Hope wrote:
Hi All

Just thought I would check in to appeals, again!!!!!
You're a glutton for punishment, aren't you? :lol:
And 2x119 both times! :roll:

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DS was assessed in school for Dyslexia in Year 4, it came out that he had dyslexic tendencies specifically in the segmentation of words. He has been working on this by doing a dyslexic scheme at school and at home and he has really improved recently, but he did find the vocab questions difficult. Is this something we should use in appeal or avoid using as it maybe shows he is not suitable for grammar.
It's perfectly acceptable to use this - indeed you must. You'll have to provide some evidence of the dyslexia - but even mild dyslexia could be enough to explain the shortfall of two marks.

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We feel he is suited to grammar school and his sister is flourishing at her school (her appeal was sucessful) is this something we should mention.
As part of your case? - Absolutely not! You could, however, with a smile let slip "I've been here before for my other child who also scored 2x119," and hope that someone will ask out of curiosity what happened!

Good luck!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:15 pm 
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Thank you KB and Etienne.

It was like Groundhog day in our house!! I couldn't believe both children had scored 119 on each paper.

I will dig out some evidence regarding the assessment and the improvement he has made with the right help.

thank you for your advice.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:59 am 
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Hi All

The headteacher has given me his summary sheet and my DS has been given a 2:2. He has commented about his dyslexic tendencies on the sheet and that he has worked hard to overcome these difficulties and is on course for a sats level 5. He has also stated that his major strengths are in Maths and Science and English is his weakest area. HT states he is extremely talented in Maths.

Overall the summary is good but I am a bit concerned about the English comment but at least the HT does point out the dyslexic tendencies. There are two questions I would like your comments on
How can I prove DS dyslexic problems? I have got a report that was done by a specialist teacher in year 4 but that was 2 years ago. In year 5 he got a 4a for reading and a 4c for writing.

His strenghts lie in Maths and Science, do I make a comment on the grounds for appealing statement or leave it to the actual appeal? I would like to say something about the 11+ not giving a true representation of his academic ability but I am not sure how to word it without sounding like I am getting at the system.

Thanks in advance for any advice. :)


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:02 pm 
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Dear Hope
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How can I prove DS dyslexic problems? I have got a report that was done by a specialist teacher in year 4 but that was 2 years ago.

A full psychological assessment is needed to determine if any child or adult is dyslexic. I'm not sure you need go that far, when you only have two marks to explain. You have evidence that DS was assessed for Dyslexia in Year 4, and that it was established that he has dyslexic tendencies specifically in the segmentation of words. More recently the headteacher has commented about dyslexic tendencies on the summary sheet.

I would make the point that your son is much stronger on the Maths/Science side, where dyslexia is not an issue. You could add "If the 11+ had included a non-verbal reasoning paper, we probably wouldn't have needed to appeal! - but we know we have to accept the system as it is. Our feeling is that a degree of dyslexia could account for a discrepancy of two marks, and we respectfully ask you to consider whether the format of the 11+ enabled our son to show his full ability."

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Thank you Etienne, fab paragraph, much better than the 10 I have written so far. :D


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Just received our appeal date and it's not until Feb, just before half term begins. I wonder if we are one of the last dates, do they normally go on after half term? I suppose it depends on how many appeals are being heard. At least we don't have to stress about the presentation yet!


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Hi 'Hope' just read your message that you've received your DCs appeal date ... best of luck, will be thinking of you when the time comes x x x

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Our appeal is not until Feb, but I would appreciate some comments regarding questions that may be asked.

How should I approach the 'what is your child reading?' type question, my problem is that my DS does not like reading, this is due to his dyslexic problems. He loves having books read to him but hates reading himself, he has got better since finishing the dyslexic programme at school but is not reading above his age. What should I say to the panel?

Also in his literacy book the spelling at times is dreadful, should I comment on this before handing the books over, a couple of pieces he has done on the computer and obviously the spelling is better in these, so they will be able to see more of what he is capable of from the word processed pieces.

Any of your wise words would be appreciated.

Thank you


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