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 Post subject: should i appeal? (Bucks)
PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:24 am 
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My son got 112/120 should i appeal

Also is there a certain procedure to follow?

I khow its only 1 mark away but is there any hope that the appeal process will be succesfull.


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 Post subject: Re: should i appeal?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:18 pm 
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Welcome!

Yes. You will find previous statistics here:
http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/appeal ... aneous#e29
(scroll down to 'f')

However, you really ought to be starting here:
viewtopic.php?f=35&t=8255

You've a lot of reading to do! :)

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:09 pm 
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thanks for the info

The headteacher at the the school supports us very strongly and adviced us to appeal,

also my son is one off the older kids in the class,because off his age do they deduct marks from his test result?
does this go against us or for us in the appeal.

I also forgot to mention that we are in the the bucks area is this good or bad area for appeals?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:34 pm 
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awanboueki wrote:
also my son is one off the older kids in the class,because off his age do they deduct marks from his test result?
No, scores are standardised by age, which means that younger children are given some allowance in their scores for their age. No child has marks deducted for age.

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does this go against us or for us in the appeal.
No, it is not relevant.

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I also forgot to mention that we are in the the bucks area is this good or bad area for appeals?
Appeals in Bucks are well run, and the chances of success by score are given in the appeals brochure that you have been given. Generally speaking, there is more chance of success at an appeal in Bucks than in many other areas - 30% of all children taking the test qualify outright, but a further 5% will qualify through an appeal.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:31 pm 
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Ok i send all the paperwork off including photocopies off his work

We have have been given a date for the appeal in mid jan

I am not to sure on whats things i should say when i am there,Is there a certain style or procedure i should
be following or should i just be myself?Is there certain things i should say about myself and my son.

Things like should i praise my son or should i beg, which approach is going to be more favourable?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:56 pm 
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Ok i send all the paperwork off including photocopies off his work
We advise against photocopies.
http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/appeal ... cation#b11
(note 1)

The yellow booklet you've been sent also states "IAP members prefer to look at original marked school work".

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I am not to sure on whats things i should say when i am there,Is there a certain style or procedure i should
be following or should i just be myself?Is there certain things i should say about myself and my son.

Things like should i praise my son or should i beg, which approach is going to be more favourable?
Neither!

Why not read the Q&As as I suggested earlier? :)

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/appeal ... cation#b40

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:21 pm 
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thanks for reply

we sent photocopies off work because we are going to bring originals with us to the appeal.(there is still time to send them originals)

i have read through the guidelines but i am having trouble with the question that they are going to ask" why did he not reach the pass mark"

I dont know what to say as we dont have any excuse's nerves on the day or pressure off the whole thing i dont know whats the best answer for this question.

We have a good supporting letter from the school saying he is top 3 in the whole year,his work is always 90% plus in every subject they have predicted 5's for his SAT's .

i do know that he was worried about not passing.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:41 pm 
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we sent photocopies off work because we are going to bring originals with us to the appeal.(there is still time to send them originals)
The yellow booklet says on page 10 "Please do not send in samples of schoolwork as this will not be distributed in advance".

If you read the Q&As, our advice is to take along exercise books to the hearing - if the work is of a good standard.

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I dont know what to say as we dont have any excuse's nerves on the day or pressure off the whole thing i dont know whats the best answer for this question.
The only possible answer if there are no extenuating circumstances is to say so! Panel members might give some credit for honesty! You could add "but he was worried about not passing". The academic evidence is what matters, because if it's strong enough, the panel might well take the view that 120 is a better reflection of his ability than 112. If so, you have only 1 mark to explain, and anxiety about the test might be enough!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:53 pm 
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Hi

We had the appeal hearing today,Which was a bit nerve racking but on the whole thought it went ok,
the 2 lay persons and non lay person seemed to be interested in the case the clerk was very nice,but there
was another person at the appeal(cant remember his role now) but he was very negative and quite rude and at one stage was saying that they cant offer my son a place.I remember at one stage the lay persons looked at him and told to be quiet.

I know that this person has no right in the decision but was trying very hard to influence the panel i dont understand why or what he had to gain by behaving the way he did.

The appeal was going ok until he got involved,So i am not too sure now and have to fear the worst.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:54 pm 
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there was another person at the appeal(cant remember his role now) but he was very negative and quite rude and at one stage was saying that they cant offer my son a place
Sounds like the LA Representative (presenting officer).

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I know that this person has no right in the decision but was trying very hard to influence the panel i dont understand why or what he had to gain by behaving the way he did.
With a score below 121, it's his job to tell the panel that Admissions think an Upper School place would be more appropriate - just as it's your job to tell the panel why your son should have a grammar school place!

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at one stage the lay persons looked at him and told to be quiet.
Reports on here suggest that most LA Representatives are very reasonable. Panels tend not to like it if they're too forceful! Who knows? - he may have done you a favour! :)

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The appeal was going ok until he got involved,So i am not too sure now and have to fear the worst.
Don't worry - if you were to lose your appeal, it's unlikely to be because of this. Having listened to both sides, the panel will make their own minds up.

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