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 Post subject: Sale Grammar Appeal
PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:52 pm 
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Hi there,

I am considering an appeal after falling just short and contacted the school to ask for some appeal stats for last year.

According to the school - last year 57 appeals 0 successful

i was a) surprised by the number of appeals and b) exceedingly surprised by the fact that none were successful.

Whilst i have no reason to doubt them i also can't believe that an independent appeals process gave that result?

Is this sort of success rate (or slightly higher!) the norm?


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 Post subject: Re: Sale Grammar Appeal
PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:00 pm 
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I would like to know if sale marked any up following an internal review? That figure on appeals is not good.


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 Post subject: Re: Sale Grammar Appeal
PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:07 pm 
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I was fairly clear on my question to them....this is the stats for the independent appeal process after March / April allocation of schools NOT the 13 point margin appeal immediately after the exams.


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 Post subject: Re: Sale Grammar Appeal
PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:58 pm 
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mmwgw wrote:
I am considering an appeal after falling just short and contacted the school to ask for some appeal stats for last year.

According to the school - last year 57 appeals 0 successful

i was a) surprised by the number of appeals and b) exceedingly surprised by the fact that none were successful.

Whilst i have no reason to doubt them i also can't believe that an independent appeals process gave that result?

Is this sort of success rate (or slightly higher!) the norm?
Nationally around one-third of appeals (excluding infant class size appeals) are successful, but please note most of these would have been oversubscription appeals.

• Separate statistics for grammar schools are not collated.
• There are no separate statistics for where the main issue was non-qualification.
• Statistics for academies are not being collected.

Here's a very old newspaper article about the widely different success rates in different areas.
Although it’s out of date, and refers to all schools rather than just grammar schools, it gives an idea of the considerable variations that can occur.
http://www.theguardian.com/education/20 ... s.schools1

I'm inclined to agree that 0 out of 57 sounds remarkably low!

See also:
http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/appeals/general#a6

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 Post subject: Re: Sale Grammar Appeal
PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:15 am 
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I would ask them for a breakdown over previous 5 years so you can get a feel for your chances. I know that there were sucessful Sale non qual appeals in 2012 but that that year was an unusual one in Trafford as Urmston GS moved their exam to be the first one in Trafford and it had repurcussions accross all the boroughs GS for some reason. If you look in the Trafford forum around March 2012 you should find some useful threads.

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 Post subject: Re: Sale Grammar Appeal
PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:37 pm 
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CarpeDiem wrote:
I would ask them for a breakdown over previous 5 years so you can get a feel for your chances.
I agree - we would recommend at least 3-5 years:
http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/appeals/general#a39

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 Post subject: Re: Sale Grammar Appeal
PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:54 pm 
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The appeal system for Sale changed between my two children (now years 9 and 11). When my older child sat the exam they ran non-qualification appeals in November and those that were successful were considered in with those who passed the exam in the initial allocation round in March. By the time my younger child sat the November appeals had been stopped and you could only appeal for non-qualification after March. If you look back at previous years, only ones under the new system will be relevant. I had a successful non-qualification appeal under the old system (which I preferred) but it was easier to succeed as there was no oversubscription issue.


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