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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:22 pm 
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My DD sat the 11+ yesterday, fingers crossed she'll make it but because of her dyslexia I'm not hopeful.
If the worst comes to the worst, we'll probably find ourselves sitting in front on an appear panel next June.
So I know this is early but I'm trying to do some ground work now.
My question is, if we appeal to more than 1 grammar and successfully overturn the non qualification part of the appeal does that mean she will be considered qualified for all the grammars we'd applied for (even for those in which an appeal was unsuccessful).
I accept the schools might be full at this point but my DD could go on their waiting list.
Sorry if this is a daft question, I vaguely remember ages ago reading that this was possible.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:28 pm 
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No, each appeal is separate.

A succesful review does but that can be a risky strategy imho.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:33 pm 
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That's a shame, oh well.
Why would you say a review is risky, is it just the risk of not overcoming FCO in the appeal?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:44 pm 
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The review system is very flawed [in my opinion] as it seems to depend on having a Head who is 'in the know' about key vocabulary to use. I can't see how it is fair to have a system where the same raw evidence presented in a 'more focused way' then makes one case more compelling.

The time spent on cases seems very small from what I've seen and anything 'a bit different' seems to not be successful.

I wish they would bring the old system back of IAPs in Jan/Feb but it is costly and the GS have to pay for it now!


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:14 pm 
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bucksdad8623 wrote:
I vaguely remember ages ago reading that this was possible.
You're right, it was - until "selection appeals" in January/February were replaced by reviews following the 2012 11+.
The outcome of a "selection appeal" was that you could be qualified for all Bucks grammar schools - or qualified for none!

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That's a shame, oh well.
What about the reverse situation? Let's say you're appealing for 3 grammar schools, and lose the qualification part of the first appeal. Would you really want that decision to be applied to your remaining appeals for the other grammar schools?
There may be something to be said for several bites of the cherry. :)

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:29 am 
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You also need to be aware that proving academic ability is the easy (relatively) part.

You will also need to convince each appeal committee why your child's need
For a Place at the school is greater than the detriment caused to the school by admitting over PAN (assuming that the school is full). These reasons will probably be different for each school and need to be specific to that school, and not just "my child would flourish with a grammar school education"


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:32 am 
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Bigbirdcw wrote:
You also need to be aware that proving academic ability is the easy (relatively) part.
I wouldn't go quite that far. :)
Many parents struggle to prove academic ability, perhaps because their school isn't very good at wording its support.
Some state school heads are opposed to selection and won't co-operate fully.
At the other extreme, some heads exaggerate their support to the point where it becomes unrealistic and devalued!

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You will also need to convince each appeal committee why your child's need
For a Place at the school is greater than the detriment caused to the school by admitting over PAN (assuming that the school is full). These reasons will probably be different for each school and need to be specific to that school, and not just "my child would flourish with a grammar school education"
I strongly agree. I get the impression many parents spend too little time on this, resorting to generalities and platitudes ("He needs to be stretched"!).

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:31 am 
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Etienne wrote:
Bigbirdcw wrote:
You also need to be aware that proving academic ability is the easy (relatively) part.
I wouldn't go quite that far. :)
Many parents struggle to prove academic ability, perhaps because their school isn't very good at wording its support.
Some state school heads are opposed to selection and won't co-operate fully.
At the other extreme, some heads exaggerate their support to the point where it becomes unrealistic and devalued!



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You will also need to convince each appeal committee why your child's need
For a Place at the school is greater than the detriment caused to the school by admitting over PAN (assuming that the school is full). These reasons will probably be different for each school and need to be specific to that school, and not just "my child would flourish with a grammar school education"
I strongly agree. I get the impression many parents spend too little time on this, resorting to generalities and platitudes ("He needs to be stretched"!).


I was just trying to make the point that you could have all the evidence in the world of academic ability, but if your reasons were strong enough your appeal would more than likely fail if it was against oversubscription as well as non-qualification.


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