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My friends child got 109 at the Langley Grammar and 111 is the pass marks this year . On the day of the exam he left the exam hall prematurely with the headache. Do you think they should consider launching an appeal? Any advices on the appeal criteria would also be appreciated.

Hi guest,

I moved your request to 'Appeals' where it is more likely to be answered by the appeal specialists.

Best of luck

Catherine

Hi Guest

I would say that with a shortfall of 2 marks, provided the friend can present strong evidence, an Appeal is worth it.

Initially your friend's son must present the same information as for all Appeals - the best possible proof via academic evidence that the child is suitable for a Grammar School, regardless of what occurred on the day. There is advice on this throughout the Appeals section and on Etienne's "Appeals Q & A" here.

Your friend will also need to present written confirmation from the school of what happened on the day.

The panel are likely to ask questions such as: How far in to the test did he leave the room? How many questions does the child think remained unanswered at that point? Was the child showing symptoms of illness on the morning of the test before leaving home? Was the child sent home after leaving the test? Has the child previously suffered from headaches?

The panel will be trying to weigh up the academic evidence against the shortfall of two marks, and then trying to decide if leaving the test early was the key influence on the child's score. In this situation high CAT scores (or comparable test results) would be very helpful, as they would show the panel what the child is capable of achieiving in tests under different circumstances.

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Sally-Anne

thankyou for quick response.

Could someone clarify this please,

If an appeal against the Langley Grammar 109 marks is successful, what would be the new marks? Would it be the pass marks of 111?

Does anyone know how many people got the pass marks (111) but not offered a place at Langley Grammar? I am trying to find whether there will be a possibility of not getting a place after a successful appeal against the 109. Thanks.

Ruban

Sally-Anne wrote:Hi Guest

I would say that with a shortfall of 2 marks, provided the friend can present strong evidence, an Appeal is worth it.

Initially your friend's son must present the same information as for all Appeals - the best possible proof via academic evidence that the child is suitable for a Grammar School, regardless of what occurred on the day. There is advice on this throughout the Appeals section and on Etienne's "Appeals Q & A" here.

Your friend will also need to present written confirmation from the school of what happened on the day.

The panel are likely to ask questions such as: How far in to the test did he leave the room? How many questions does the child think remained unanswered at that point? Was the child showing symptoms of illness on the morning of the test before leaving home? Was the child sent home after leaving the test? Has the child previously suffered from headaches?

The panel will be trying to weigh up the academic evidence against the shortfall of two marks, and then trying to decide if leaving the test early was the key influence on the child's score. In this situation high CAT scores (or comparable test results) would be very helpful, as they would show the panel what the child is capable of achieiving in tests under different circumstances.

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Sally-Anne

Hi Ruban,

You wouldn't appeal for a place in Langley Grammar, but for qualification for a place in one of the consortium Grammars [less St Bernard's that hold their own appeals]. A successful pupil may be offered a place in any of the schools [Herschel or Langley] they have applied for [first preference first] if there is a place.

Appeals for candidates who score below the pass mark of 111
If the candidate has scored 110 or below, then he/she is not eligible for consideration for a place at any of the named grammar schools in the Consortium, that have been listed on the registration form and Common Application Form. The letter will inform parents/guardians of their right of appeal if they have named one of the Consortium grammar schools on their Common Application Form. These procedures are published jointly for Herschel Grammar School and Langley Grammar School. There is a separate procedure for St Bernard’s Catholic Grammar School.

http://www.langley-grammar.slough.sch.u ... il2007.pdf

In the past and as far as I know, the consortium will not say if you have qualified but don't get a place. They just send a letter saying that the appeal isn't successful...

Sorry if I am not more precise. It looks like the consortium appeal practices are not very transparent, but may be someone else will know more about it.

Let’s say the appeal with consortium Grammars was successful, but we have only listed Langley grammar in the Common Application Form, therefore will the appeal panel consider offering a place in consortium grammar that was not listed in Common Application Form?

I really don't know the answer to this one....I believe the appeal is for qualification and a place all at the same time. Each school holds a separate appeal panel. You would have to approach the school admissions for this query.....please let us know if you can confirm any of these details.

In our letter from Langley they stated the following:
"451 children scored between 111 and 141 at LGS with a total entry of 1,104." I believe there are more places this year (140?) so that still leaves over 300 children with the pass mark and no place. In previous years Langley offers first places at over 120, but has offered down to 115 (local children only) so I don't think the score will get you in, but the mitigating circumstances might get you a foot in the door.
Good luck!

wraysburymum wrote:In our letter from Langley they stated the following:
"451 children scored between 111 and 141 at LGS with a total entry of 1,104." I believe there are more places this year (140?) so that still leaves over 300 children with the pass mark and no place. In previous years Langley offers first places at over 120, but has offered down to 115 (local children only) so I don't think the score will get you in, but the mitigating circumstances might get you a foot in the door.
Good luck!

Wraysburymum, is that the number of children scoring above 111 for Langley or for the consortium? If it just for Langley, it looks like there will be an incredibly high number of disappointed families in March..
Unless Herschel take some second preferences this year, but it hasn't been the case recently!