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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:37 pm 
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LSS's consultation for 2012 admissions in now on their website. It is interesting that it differs from the RHS consultation in that they have not reversed the order in which candidates will be accepted from within and without East Warks, which I think means that a girl from the priority circle but outside E Warks now would have a better chance of gaining a GS place than a boy living in the same place? Have I interpreted that correctly and is that in line with Equal Opportunites if it is the case?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:41 pm 
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Probably not in line with Equal Opps so I would watch this space...


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:39 pm 
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Oooh, you're probably right. Dont they have to go through the fiction of only offering the same number of places as the girls school for that very reason, then let the extra places they do have fill with the pupils who appeal. I wouldnt be surprised if that gets challenged!


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:27 pm 
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Just a thought... If you have a bright DD, then would be better sending DD to Princethorpe if you can afford the fees. LSS GCSE's and CVA are excellent (top in country last year). RHS has slightly lower GCSE's and much lower CVA. Princethorpe has CVA figures better than RHS... Better school for our DD's? Maybe.

Has anyone thought of consulting RHS about their poor CVA statistics?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:58 am 
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DE - do you know how CVA is measured? I have already said elsewhere on this forum that I am a bit confused about what this actually means and whether its a meaningful measurement :?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:27 am 
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You can find lots of information regarding CVA on the DfE website. CVA progresses through KS1 to post 16 but the calculations are different at each stage.

Some of the limitations of CVA, particularly in the context of GS are listed here and here. The GSHA have also been in discussion with the DfE regarding their concerns with CVA methodology.

The second link is a more detailed argument from Jan 09. Unfortunately several of links to the citied reports are now broken. If you're enthusiastic you can probably track them down through google. :D


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:48 am 
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You have to take GCSE results with a lot more than a pinch of salt. This is the average number of GCSEs/equivalents taken by pupils at the Warks selectives in the last few years:

Order: AGS / Ashln / KES / LSS / RHS / SGSG
2004: 11.3 / 10 / 11.2 / 10.7 / 10.5 / 10.6
2005: 11.2 / 10.2 / 10.2 / 12 / 10.6 / 10.1
2006: 11 / 10.4 / 10.6 / 12.7 / 10.6 / 9.7
2007: 11.1 / 10.8 / 10.6 / 13.4 / 10.5 / 10.4
2008: 11.2 / 11.9 / 10.6 / 15.4 / 10.8 / 10.5
2009: 11.1 / 11.6 / 10.9 / 14.5 / 11 / 11.5
2010: 11.5 / 11.2 / 11 / 15.2 / 10.3 / 11.8

The GCSE league tables only tell you that LSS pupils take a staggering number of GCSEs, they doesn't really tell you anything about the quality of their results.

Quite apart from the issues with CVA that mitasol has pointed to, given that CVA is calculated from pupils' 8 best GCSE results, it can be imagined that a school that throws 15 GCSEs at its pupils is likely to have a lot more leeway for choosing eight good results than one that only inflicts 10 or 11 - especially if you suspect that many of the extra 4 or 5 are likely to be less demanding in the first place. There are lies, damned lies and educational statistics...

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:27 am 
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Thanks Mitasol for the explanation re CVA scores.

I am already aware that the number of GCSEs in league tables can include other qualifications such as ASs and each AS are worth a few GCSEs. I know that many other schools have a similar system and that like LSS they start GCSEs in year 9, so I am not sure what your point about LSS is? Is it too much too young? :?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:51 am 
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My point is that when I see something like that I start to have reservations about the school's priorities. No child "needs" 15 GCSEs. It's rarely in the pupils' interests to take exams early (it does impact on results) and it certainly isn't the best way of broadening someone's education. It does, however, have a beneficial impact on the school's league table performance, and I personally would want to make very sure that wasn't a factor in the school's curriculum decisions.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:10 pm 
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Parents should also be aware that indy schools (and Unis) do not rate GCSE much preferring IGCSE which is more rigorous. Also remember RHS still does not allow triple science.


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