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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:46 am 
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Looking way ahead, it seems that there may be a change to the way the Warwickshire exam is scored for 2014 (for places in 2015 - current year 4 children).
um (on the Birmingham section) wrote:
From next year, it is understood that all three consortia will join together with one CEM examination on the same date. This is most likely to be the first Saturday in September.
If this is the case it means that same exam will be used for Warwickshire as for the the selective schools in Birmingham and Walsall. It will still be a CEM exam, and the format of the exam itself isn't likely to change, but the way it is scored might do. Currently Birmingham results are standardised to get two scores on English/VR and NVR/Numerical, whereas Warwickshire and Walsall have three elements with English/VR, NVR and Numerical being scored seperately. If Warwickshire adopts the Birmingham model it will shift the emphasis even more towards candidates who are strong in English as that will then account for half of the standardised score, rather than one third as it is now.

Good news if you've got a child who excels at English, not so good if they're more mathematically inclined.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:51 am 
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Oh that's interesting... shame my year 4 daughter is mathematically stronger!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:12 pm 
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It won't make any difference. Daughter, who is exceptionally strong in English and turned out to be surprisingly weak in VR, scored identically in Warks and Bham (235 Bham, 353 Warks, iirc).


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:01 pm 
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My dd is stronger in English than Maths but scored 207 in Birmingham and 235 in Warwickshire.

Hearing this I can only put that down to nerves as she did the Birmingham test a week earlier!


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:46 pm 
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mike1880 wrote:
It won't make any difference. Daughter, who is exceptionally strong in English and turned out to be surprisingly weak in VR, scored identically in Warks and Bham (235 Bham, 353 Warks, iirc).


Our experience was slightly different for the test taken last year. Son scored 235 (VR - 111, Maths/NVR - 124) in Birmingham test but scored 371 (VR - 117, Maths - 134, NVR - 125) in the Walsall QM test which would equate to around 248 in Bham.

English has always been his weaker subject and that most certainly put him at a disadvantage due to the 50% weightage criterion used in Bham.

Having the same test doesn't necessarily mean they have to use the same marking scheme across regions. Once they have the raw score for each subject area it would quite simple to work out the weighted standardised score based on each regions requirements.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:58 am 
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Having the same test doesn't necessarily mean they have to use the same marking scheme across regions. Once they have the raw score for each subject area it would quite simple to work out the weighted standardised score based on each regions requirements.


I'm not sure that would be practical

Children applying to grammars in both B/Ham and Warwickshire would get 2 scores - respective Warwickshire and a B/Ham age standardised score based on the different standardisation methods. The percentile score could be quite different in each case which would confuse parents. A cihild might pass for Warwickshire with a high score but fail for one of the B/Ham KE grammars with a lower score based on a different standardisation. A great argument at appeal!

You also can't break down the cohort into 2 camps because children can apply to schools in both regions - also the age standisation process improves with an increased cohort sample so the bigger the cohort the more consistent the process.

T hink they will have to agree a single consistent approach


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:11 am 
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Agreed kenR!

Having one paper will at least stop CEM from recycling the same past papers across the regions. I personally won't be happy to pay £40,000 for a recycled paper :)

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:56 am 
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The Gloucs GS have always standardised separately; a child can get two or more different scores for the same exam due to different standardisation cohorts. So it can be done. But if the whole point of the exercise is to save money it seems unlikely that they would bother.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:29 pm 
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In the CEM exam in warwickshire each of the 3 sections is standardised separately and the amount of marks awarded differs quite considerably across the 3 sections


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:52 pm 
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Difficult to stand against Ken and Mike but I think I would take a small wager on them standardising the two areas separately.

It looks like the GSHA have big plans for large scale CEM tests, which could be weighted to match the local context. The financial benefits of returning to a single 11+ test that can be locally standardised must be quite compelling. http://www.tbgs.co.uk/Sixth-Form/gsha_2012.pdf


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