Floreat Etona!
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Given Eton is a school steeped in history and attended historically by the highly privileged and extremely bright it does not seem such a great achievement to only have produced 19 prime ministers and none for such a long time. I have to wonder if the number of public school boys in the current government is not a sad indictment on the condition of our state school system since the demise of the grammar schools, which provided great opportunities for social mobility. It has been a great many years since we had an Etonian prime minister. I do rather feel that the upper class background of the current prime minister as well as his attendance at Eton may have something to do with his success.
For the interest of those who were unaware here is a list of the "hallowed" men from Eton.
Walpole, Sir Robert, KG, 1st Earl of Orford (1676–1745) PM 1721–1742
Pitt, William, 1st Earl of Chatham (1708–1778) PM 1756–1757, 1757–1761 and 1766–1768
Bute, John Stuart, 3rd Earl of (1713–1792) PM 1762–1763
Grenville, George (1712–1770) PM 1763–1765
North, Frederick, 8th Baron (1732–1792) PM 1770–1782
Grenville, William, 1st Baron (1759–1834) PM 1806–1807
Canning, George (1770–1827) PM 1827
Wellington, Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of (1769–1852) PM 1828–1830 and 1834
Grey, Charles, 2nd Earl (1764–1845) PM 1830–1834
Melbourne, William Lamb, 2nd Viscount (1779–1848) PM 1834 and 1835–1841
Derby, Edward Stanley, 14th Earl of (1799–1869) PM 1852, 1858–1859 and 1866–1868
Gladstone, William Ewart (1809–1898) PM 1868–1874, 1880–1885, 1886 and 1892–1894
Salisbury, Robert Cecil, 3rd Marquess of (1830–1903) PM 1885–1886, 1886–1892 and 1895–1902
Rosebery, Archibald Primrose, 5th Earl of (1847–1929) PM 1894–1895
Balfour, Arthur (1848–1930) PM 1902–1905, later 1st Earl of Balfour
Eden, Sir Anthony (1897–1977) PM 1955–1957, later 1st Earl of Avon
Macmillan, Harold (1894–1986) PM 1957–1963, later 1st Earl of Stockton
Douglas-Home, Sir Alec (1903–1995) PM 1963–1964, formerly 14th Earl of Home, later Baron Home of the Hirsel
Cameron, David William Donald (1966- ) PM 2010 -
For the interest of those who were unaware here is a list of the "hallowed" men from Eton.
Walpole, Sir Robert, KG, 1st Earl of Orford (1676–1745) PM 1721–1742
Pitt, William, 1st Earl of Chatham (1708–1778) PM 1756–1757, 1757–1761 and 1766–1768
Bute, John Stuart, 3rd Earl of (1713–1792) PM 1762–1763
Grenville, George (1712–1770) PM 1763–1765
North, Frederick, 8th Baron (1732–1792) PM 1770–1782
Grenville, William, 1st Baron (1759–1834) PM 1806–1807
Canning, George (1770–1827) PM 1827
Wellington, Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of (1769–1852) PM 1828–1830 and 1834
Grey, Charles, 2nd Earl (1764–1845) PM 1830–1834
Melbourne, William Lamb, 2nd Viscount (1779–1848) PM 1834 and 1835–1841
Derby, Edward Stanley, 14th Earl of (1799–1869) PM 1852, 1858–1859 and 1866–1868
Gladstone, William Ewart (1809–1898) PM 1868–1874, 1880–1885, 1886 and 1892–1894
Salisbury, Robert Cecil, 3rd Marquess of (1830–1903) PM 1885–1886, 1886–1892 and 1895–1902
Rosebery, Archibald Primrose, 5th Earl of (1847–1929) PM 1894–1895
Balfour, Arthur (1848–1930) PM 1902–1905, later 1st Earl of Balfour
Eden, Sir Anthony (1897–1977) PM 1955–1957, later 1st Earl of Avon
Macmillan, Harold (1894–1986) PM 1957–1963, later 1st Earl of Stockton
Douglas-Home, Sir Alec (1903–1995) PM 1963–1964, formerly 14th Earl of Home, later Baron Home of the Hirsel
Cameron, David William Donald (1966- ) PM 2010 -
in the interest of balance.....
The list of infamous Eton alumni is long and entertaining and full of people without whom the world might be a considerably duller place. Prime ministers we can live without, but these people we relish.
The indiscretions of colourful characters such as the late Ronald Ferguson (Royal polo manager and father of the Duchess of York; various ******** scandals), Lord Lambton, (former Conservative minister, involved in gender and drugs scandal), Alan Clark, (former Conservative MP and minister, serial adulterer and gossip), Boris Johnson (Conservative MP and former shadow minister, alleged adulterer who insulted Liverpool) have enlivened the nation over the past three decades.
More serious misdemeanours have raised questions in the House, never mind eyebrows, as in the case of Guy Burgess, the drink-sozzled star of the infamous Burgess-Maclean-Philby spy ring. A former diplomat who defected to Russia in 1951, he has been the subject of fascination ever since and the inspiration for Alan Bennett's play, An Englishman Abroad.
Eton can boast its share of convicted criminals, who include Darius Guppy, the old Etonian convicted of attempting to defraud Lloyds out of £1.8m by staging a fake jewellery robbery. He was sent to prison for six years; he doesn't figure on Eton's list of notable former pupils.
Then there is the one that got away. Lord Lucan, gambler and man about town, who vanished in September 1974 after killing his children's nanny, is still officially on the run. The Eton website simply lists him as "missing".
don;t get started on my alma mater including Mrs yoyo, well known chocoholic and wine connoisseur
The list of infamous Eton alumni is long and entertaining and full of people without whom the world might be a considerably duller place. Prime ministers we can live without, but these people we relish.
The indiscretions of colourful characters such as the late Ronald Ferguson (Royal polo manager and father of the Duchess of York; various ******** scandals), Lord Lambton, (former Conservative minister, involved in gender and drugs scandal), Alan Clark, (former Conservative MP and minister, serial adulterer and gossip), Boris Johnson (Conservative MP and former shadow minister, alleged adulterer who insulted Liverpool) have enlivened the nation over the past three decades.
More serious misdemeanours have raised questions in the House, never mind eyebrows, as in the case of Guy Burgess, the drink-sozzled star of the infamous Burgess-Maclean-Philby spy ring. A former diplomat who defected to Russia in 1951, he has been the subject of fascination ever since and the inspiration for Alan Bennett's play, An Englishman Abroad.
Eton can boast its share of convicted criminals, who include Darius Guppy, the old Etonian convicted of attempting to defraud Lloyds out of £1.8m by staging a fake jewellery robbery. He was sent to prison for six years; he doesn't figure on Eton's list of notable former pupils.
Then there is the one that got away. Lord Lucan, gambler and man about town, who vanished in September 1974 after killing his children's nanny, is still officially on the run. The Eton website simply lists him as "missing".
don;t get started on my alma mater including Mrs yoyo, well known chocoholic and wine connoisseur
http://partyreptile.blogspot.com/2008/0 ... sters.html
from 2008
from 2008
I did find a table of PM's titles before they became PM, the rule of thumb was you had to have a title before you got the job. Things seemed to have moved on.He also cites, at the end of the article, this figure. Of the 52 prime ministers since 1721, only 12 have not been privately educated: 18 have gone to Eton, seven have gone to Harrow and seven to Westminster.
It's not really a very useful figure in that form: there was no non-private education until the very end of the nineteenth century. Perhaps a more useful (ahem) article was published in Attain Magazine in the Spring. Modesty forbids, etc, but the more interesting figure is surely this:
In the first sixty three years of the twentieth century, there were 14 Prime Ministers of Great Britain. Of these, ten had been to public school, five to Eton alone.
In the years since 1963, however, there have been seven Prime Ministers. Of these only one, Tony Blair, was privately educated. The years 1963-2008 have been politically dominated by the state sector. Now, however, as Harris points out, it is the public school that is in the ascendant. It's worth finding out why that is. Outright class privilege is unlikely to be the primary reason. Far more likely is what Alan Milburn identified - the educational collapse of the state sector. Harris mentions Balls, Purnell and Kelly. He doesn't mention Harman, Clarke, Jowell and Jack Straw. The vein of grammar school talent that has served both main parties well for forty years looks like it has been exhausted.
70% of the new Cabinet went to Oxbridge and from there its a hop, skip and jump.
and nearly 50% of Oxbridge is from Private schools.
Oxbridge has an incredible monopoly into politics, journalism and law. It is the heart, soul and engine of the old school tie network that runs Britain. It is a self-perpetuating machine that fences of access to the cream of privilege and power.
and nearly 50% of Oxbridge is from Private schools.
Oxbridge has an incredible monopoly into politics, journalism and law. It is the heart, soul and engine of the old school tie network that runs Britain. It is a self-perpetuating machine that fences of access to the cream of privilege and power.
Impossible is Nothing.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/educa ... 70414.html
Some MP wide stats. here, take with a pinch of salt small samples and all that.
Some MP wide stats. here, take with a pinch of salt small samples and all that.
Let us not forget
UCL alumni range from Mahatma Gandhi and Alexander Graham Bell, to Ricky Gervais, Chris Martin and all three other members of the band Coldplay, as well as two members of the band Keane.
Important authors include linguist David Crystal, Stella Gibbons, Robert Browning, Rabindranath Tagore (did not graduate), Raymond Briggs and G. K. Chesterton.
Scientists and engineers to have attended UCL include Francis Crick, John Ambrose Fleming, Joseph Lister, Roger Penrose, Colin Chapman, Patrick Head, physicist and astrobiologist Paul Davies, evolutionary biologist John Maynard Smith and the aforementioned Bell.
Artists, architects and designers include Sir William Coldstream, Sir Eduardo Paolozzi, Ben Nicholson and David Mlinaric.
Politicians figure highly in the lists, notably Sir Stafford Cripps (Chancellor of the Exchequer), William Wedgwood Benn, 1st Viscount Stansgate (Liberal and subsequent Labour politician), the first and former prime ministers of Japan (Hirobumi Ito and Junichiro Koizumi respectively) and Chaim Herzog, the former President of Israel. Moreover, the founding father of Kenya, Jomo Kenyatta was a UCL graduate. Wu Tingfang (Ng Choy) was Minister of Foreign Affairs and Acting Premier during the early days of the Republic of China. The Lord Mayor of the City of London 2008-9, Ian Luder is also an UCL alumnus.
Prominent UCL law graduates include a Lord Chancellor (Lord Herschell), the former Chief Justices of England (Lord Woolf), Hong Kong (Sir Yang Ti-liang), India (A.S. Anand) and Ghana (Samuel Azu Crabbe), two Masters of the Rolls (Lord Cozens-Hardy, Sir George Jessel), as well as the Attorneys-General of England (Lord Goldsmith; Baroness Scotland), Singapore (Tan Boon Teik; Chao Hick Tin) and Gambia (Hassan Bubacar Jallow). F.T. Cheng a.k.a. Cheng T'ien-Hsi was a judge of the International Court of Justice at the Hague and was Nationalist China's last ambassador to the United Kingdom.
Many leading journalists attended UCL including three former editors of The Economist, most notably Walter Bagehot, and two editors of The Times Literary Supplement. A number of entertainers and TV personalities feature too, including Justine Frischmann, Jack Peñate, Jonathan Dimbleby and Jonathan Ross. Key business people include Edwin Waterhouse (founding partner of PricewaterhouseCoopers). Christopher Nolan, director of The Dark Knight and other notable movies, is also an alumnus. In addition, both of the managing directors of the Jack Wills clothing chain are UCL graduates having met during their time there. David Gower and Christine Ohuruogu from sports are also UCL graduates. The singer/songwriter Zarif Davidson, known professionally as Zarif, attended UCL.
Two convicted terrorists have studied at UCL: Samar Alami, who detonated a car bomb in London in 1994 for which she was jailed for twenty years, as well as failed terrorist Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab who attempted to blow up Northwest Airlines Flight 253 on Christmas Day 2009.
UCL has the highest number of professors of any university in the UK. Currently among UCL academics there are 35 fellows of the Royal Society, 27 Fellows of the British Academy, and 77 Fellows of the Academy of Medical Sciences. 21 Nobel prizes have been awarded to UCL academics and students (ten of which were in Physiology & Medicine) as well as three Fields Medals.[64][65] All five of the naturally occurring noble gases were discovered at UCL by Sir William Ramsay, who was chair of chemistry[66] and after whom Ramsay Hall is named.
also Miss yoyo and ermm someone else?
oh yes and they rate above oxford in teh league tables!
UCL alumni range from Mahatma Gandhi and Alexander Graham Bell, to Ricky Gervais, Chris Martin and all three other members of the band Coldplay, as well as two members of the band Keane.
Important authors include linguist David Crystal, Stella Gibbons, Robert Browning, Rabindranath Tagore (did not graduate), Raymond Briggs and G. K. Chesterton.
Scientists and engineers to have attended UCL include Francis Crick, John Ambrose Fleming, Joseph Lister, Roger Penrose, Colin Chapman, Patrick Head, physicist and astrobiologist Paul Davies, evolutionary biologist John Maynard Smith and the aforementioned Bell.
Artists, architects and designers include Sir William Coldstream, Sir Eduardo Paolozzi, Ben Nicholson and David Mlinaric.
Politicians figure highly in the lists, notably Sir Stafford Cripps (Chancellor of the Exchequer), William Wedgwood Benn, 1st Viscount Stansgate (Liberal and subsequent Labour politician), the first and former prime ministers of Japan (Hirobumi Ito and Junichiro Koizumi respectively) and Chaim Herzog, the former President of Israel. Moreover, the founding father of Kenya, Jomo Kenyatta was a UCL graduate. Wu Tingfang (Ng Choy) was Minister of Foreign Affairs and Acting Premier during the early days of the Republic of China. The Lord Mayor of the City of London 2008-9, Ian Luder is also an UCL alumnus.
Prominent UCL law graduates include a Lord Chancellor (Lord Herschell), the former Chief Justices of England (Lord Woolf), Hong Kong (Sir Yang Ti-liang), India (A.S. Anand) and Ghana (Samuel Azu Crabbe), two Masters of the Rolls (Lord Cozens-Hardy, Sir George Jessel), as well as the Attorneys-General of England (Lord Goldsmith; Baroness Scotland), Singapore (Tan Boon Teik; Chao Hick Tin) and Gambia (Hassan Bubacar Jallow). F.T. Cheng a.k.a. Cheng T'ien-Hsi was a judge of the International Court of Justice at the Hague and was Nationalist China's last ambassador to the United Kingdom.
Many leading journalists attended UCL including three former editors of The Economist, most notably Walter Bagehot, and two editors of The Times Literary Supplement. A number of entertainers and TV personalities feature too, including Justine Frischmann, Jack Peñate, Jonathan Dimbleby and Jonathan Ross. Key business people include Edwin Waterhouse (founding partner of PricewaterhouseCoopers). Christopher Nolan, director of The Dark Knight and other notable movies, is also an alumnus. In addition, both of the managing directors of the Jack Wills clothing chain are UCL graduates having met during their time there. David Gower and Christine Ohuruogu from sports are also UCL graduates. The singer/songwriter Zarif Davidson, known professionally as Zarif, attended UCL.
Two convicted terrorists have studied at UCL: Samar Alami, who detonated a car bomb in London in 1994 for which she was jailed for twenty years, as well as failed terrorist Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab who attempted to blow up Northwest Airlines Flight 253 on Christmas Day 2009.
UCL has the highest number of professors of any university in the UK. Currently among UCL academics there are 35 fellows of the Royal Society, 27 Fellows of the British Academy, and 77 Fellows of the Academy of Medical Sciences. 21 Nobel prizes have been awarded to UCL academics and students (ten of which were in Physiology & Medicine) as well as three Fields Medals.[64][65] All five of the naturally occurring noble gases were discovered at UCL by Sir William Ramsay, who was chair of chemistry[66] and after whom Ramsay Hall is named.
also Miss yoyo and ermm someone else?
oh yes and they rate above oxford in teh league tables!
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