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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:51 am 
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How does the Learning Together and AE books for NVR seem in terms of complexity, when compared with Bond and Nfer ones?
Are they easier than the Bond 10-11+ ones or are they more complex?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:20 am 
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Ang's mom wrote:
How does the Learning Together and AE books for NVR seem in terms of complexity, when compared with Bond and Nfer ones?
Are they easier than the Bond 10-11+ ones or are they more complex?

Thanks.


Not sure I can rank them but this is how I have used them. :)

Bond Books good for starting have age graded books. AE good for "How to do book" simple step by step guide. Bond "How to Do" useful as a second opinion if you get stuck. :lol:

Nfer only produce four papers, so cover a wide range including very hard.

Have a look at the e-papers on this site, the three elevenplusexams papers are good quality.

CGP papers some sections are a bit odd, rotating images.

IPS seemed ok, not looked at them for a while but just checked a sample paper on the web.

Not as much NVR as VR on the market.


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Thanks Steve :)

I was particularly concerned about the NVR Multiple Choice Books in AE and Learning Together, as opposed to the How to do books.

I have already bought most of the Bond books and my daughter isn't doing too bad on the 10-11 plus NVR one. I was wondering, whether I should go for the 11-12plus NVR ones also or would that be overkill ? Do you have experience using them?

If the Learning Together /AE ones are simpler compared to the Bond 10-11 plus ones then it wouldnt be of much use to me.

I would be definitely having a look at the elevenplusexams e-paper.


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NVR Multiple Choice Books in AE and Learning Together


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Bond books and my daughter isn't doing too bad on the 10-11 plus NVR one. I was wondering, whether I should go for the 11-12plus NVR


If she is enjoying it go for it. :lol:

I do have but not used Bond 11-12+ NVR. we moved on to papers (in sections) half-way through the 10-11+ book as DS was getting a bit bored. :) The gradual grading in Bond makes them a bit easier than a more mixed paper.

Just a thought Bond do nets of cubes, good for spatial awareness but in some nfer regions do not come up so don't get stressed by them. AE aimed at Slough/Reading/London? Nfer do not have nets. :)

I use the AE how to do book as a progress guide as it lists question types and shows for each type the five levels of complexity, we go back to it when we hit a problem section..... :roll:

NVR can be learned (and forgotten), also more affected by tiredness than other subjects IMHO.


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Ang's mom wrote:
How does the Learning Together and AE books for NVR seem in terms of complexity, when compared with Bond and Nfer ones?
Are they easier than the Bond 10-11+ ones or are they more complex?

Thanks.


Hi

I think the Learning Together books are easy than Bond tests (not assessments) and NFER tests and can be compared to AFN.
They also have "strange" tasks like "how many squares are in the following shape?", "complete table", and even VR-style sequences. So I'm not sure if Learning Together NVR is relevant :?


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Yes, the nets of cubes section is a touch and go. I will have to study it, before I can help her with it. Thankfully Nfer doesnt have them, I hope they dont creep it in the next year.

The AE "how to do book" sounds good. I didnt buy any of the how to do books, as my daughter/myself seemed alright without them. Maybe I will go back and have a look at them again.

The bit that NVR can be forgotten sounds scary.
Tiredness definitely affects the NVR score and I try to do it in the beginning and get it out of the way, if we are going to study for around an hour so.


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Irene+ wrote:
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I think the Learning Together books are easy than Bond tests and NFER tests and can be compared to AFN.
They also have "strange" tasks like "how many squares are in the following shape?", "complete table", and even sequences. So I'm not sure if Learning Together NVR is relevant :?


Thanks Irene :)
Thats very helpful.


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I don;t find teh learning together as good as some of teh others, I tend to just use pieces as extra practice.

I do like the EPE download and E-papers.

AE tuition is very good for taking you through it systematically.

Bond also do a book of puzzles to encourage visual skills


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yoyo123 wrote:
I don;t find teh learning together as good as some of teh others, I tend to just use pieces as extra practice.

I do like the EPE download and E-papers.

AE tuition is very good for taking you through it systematically.

Bond also do a book of puzzles to encourage visual skills


Thanks yoyo..So from the downloads, the elevenplusexams epaper sounds like a definite must buy.

Do you have any experience using the AE multiple choice tests.

Interesting, I wasn't aware of the Bond puzzle books. Did a quick search and saw how the cover looks. Are they recommended ?


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DS3 is in Y5 and I have used the new Bond NVR puzzle book with him as an intro to the ideas / subject - if you have already started papers i think it would be a bit irrelevant. They are very wordy for a visual based subject area.

I too have found the IPS / CGP papers somewhat confusing in the past and agree with previous posts that you do run out of good NVR questions before you do VR ones....


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