NFER non verbal
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ANDREW THE POET
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Hi Josh .... only just noticed your question.
We did buy the Bond papers. However, I wouldn't use these so near to the exam itself as they do differ in format to those in the exam. However, if this is a real problem area some of the Bond Books do offer a quick introduction to essential non-verbal tactics. As indicated, the most useful resources were the two books as detailed. Beyond this we did no more than to wade through the NFER papers. In short, we found the Bond papers to be more of a distraction than a help!
Thanks for your kind words, re my son.
Andrew
Hi Josh .... only just noticed your question.
We did buy the Bond papers. However, I wouldn't use these so near to the exam itself as they do differ in format to those in the exam. However, if this is a real problem area some of the Bond Books do offer a quick introduction to essential non-verbal tactics. As indicated, the most useful resources were the two books as detailed. Beyond this we did no more than to wade through the NFER papers. In short, we found the Bond papers to be more of a distraction than a help!
Thanks for your kind words, re my son.
Andrew
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Interesting that you should day this. My daughter finds the Bond much harder than the NFER practice papers (which she tends to get 90%+ in )and I have been wondering if they were a bit of a distraction as they are quite different or if it is worth getting her to work through them in the hope that they broaden her scope (she still gets 80%+ in these but doesn't like them much)ANDREW THE POET wrote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In short, we found the Bond papers to be more of a distraction than a help!
Andrew
Coaching for NVR nad anything else in life
Point 1: There is no such thing as "overcoaching". This is bound to be an ad-hoc definition depending on the ideas (social, political, etc.) of each parent and thus will vary. Perhaps too much coaching is what makes your kid tired rather than what makes you fed up.
Point 2: I asked my son whether anyone has a fighting chance without ever having seen a NVR test to do well on the day and the answer was that it would be a waste of their time and no way! This is the opinion of a 10 year old.
Point 3. The NVR test does not measure IQ pecisely because it can be practiced. However one has to be careful. Even a naturally charismatic athlete still needs to practice and exercise every day and it is only with practise and mental exercise that the mind also improves. Practice on these tests does exactly the same. Hence practice is a necessary although by no means sufficient condition to do well in this and any other kind of test for that matter.
Point 4. I am an academic. I recently took an "IQ" test (it had all kinds of questions, VR, NVR, proper Math ones, English and some general knowledge ones) and I scored 128. There is absolutely no way I belong to the 7% most clever people in the word! It is just because I have been working with Maths and Economics for the last 20 years and hence I have had a lot of training in transforming everything into my mind into a maths model and then very quickly solve it. Hence acquiring the tools (skills) to deal with problems is equally important, which gets us back to the point that practise and hard working gets results. This is true with everything in life.
Point 5. I do find NVR tests quite easy most of the time (unless it is late at night and I am very tired) although timing can be a problem. However no matter how many of the papers (belonging to my son) I have tried I still make the odd 2-3 mistakes overall. Hence there may be a natural ceiling to one's performance, but this can be quite high. It is mostly the speed by which this ceiling is reached by a child that will depend on how " naturally" clever he or she is.
Cheers,
INEX
Point 2: I asked my son whether anyone has a fighting chance without ever having seen a NVR test to do well on the day and the answer was that it would be a waste of their time and no way! This is the opinion of a 10 year old.
Point 3. The NVR test does not measure IQ pecisely because it can be practiced. However one has to be careful. Even a naturally charismatic athlete still needs to practice and exercise every day and it is only with practise and mental exercise that the mind also improves. Practice on these tests does exactly the same. Hence practice is a necessary although by no means sufficient condition to do well in this and any other kind of test for that matter.
Point 4. I am an academic. I recently took an "IQ" test (it had all kinds of questions, VR, NVR, proper Math ones, English and some general knowledge ones) and I scored 128. There is absolutely no way I belong to the 7% most clever people in the word! It is just because I have been working with Maths and Economics for the last 20 years and hence I have had a lot of training in transforming everything into my mind into a maths model and then very quickly solve it. Hence acquiring the tools (skills) to deal with problems is equally important, which gets us back to the point that practise and hard working gets results. This is true with everything in life.
Point 5. I do find NVR tests quite easy most of the time (unless it is late at night and I am very tired) although timing can be a problem. However no matter how many of the papers (belonging to my son) I have tried I still make the odd 2-3 mistakes overall. Hence there may be a natural ceiling to one's performance, but this can be quite high. It is mostly the speed by which this ceiling is reached by a child that will depend on how " naturally" clever he or she is.
Cheers,
INEX
sj355
Are the above books (AE Tuitions) good for beginners or they are equally good for further practice of NFER type Nonverbal questions? Looking for some good NV books/papers for further practice (not beginner level).Hi there
In terms of a methodical approach to NVR we found the following to be the most helpful.
http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/books/list.php?ex=269
http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/books/list.php?ex=122
These two no-nonsense books with take you through each level of these papers. They certainly worked for us as my son managed to make the grade this year! We did most of the exercises orally.
GOOD LUCK!
Andrew
Your comments would be really helpful.
Many Thanks
mum
Mum,
Have used these books as an introduction to NVR.
http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/books/list.php?ex=269
http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/books/list.php?ex=270
Have a look and see what you think.
Also for NFERish type use the E-papers
http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/epaper ... =f&c=4&p=1
stevew61
Have used these books as an introduction to NVR.
http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/books/list.php?ex=269
http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/books/list.php?ex=270
Have a look and see what you think.
Also for NFERish type use the E-papers
http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/epaper ... =f&c=4&p=1
stevew61
