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 Post subject: re CEM tests
PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:55 pm 
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Some data for year 7 pupils in the 5 grammar schools in Warwickshire: year, number on roll, number on roll known to be eligible for free school meals (census month October). CEM took over the tests for 2009 entry apparently.
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2007 454 5
2008 447 <5
2009 454 8
2010 461 7
2011 460 5
2012 468 <5
2013 556 5


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 Post subject: Re: re CEM tests
PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:17 am 
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With very little data prior to c e m taking over it is hard to draw any conclusions, but no great change is maybe the conclusion? Or do very few f s m. Children apply? Or do a better proportion pass but then not take up the places?

Everybody makes noise about this f s m business but only looks at it half-heartedly.


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 Post subject: Re: re CEM tests
PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:05 pm 
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mystery wrote:
With very little data prior to c e m taking over it is hard to draw any conclusions, but no great change is maybe the conclusion? Or do very few f s m. Children apply? Or do a better proportion pass but then not take up the places?

Everybody makes noise about this f s m business but only looks at it half-heartedly.

Well quite a lot of those in the priority areas for the Warwickshire schools aren't in the areas where they'd get free travel - either out of county altogether, or in the wrong segment of the county. So costs could well be a factor for some in not even trying for a place.


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 Post subject: Re: re CEM tests
PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:03 pm 
if anything I would expect C.E.M would result in lower number of FSM children getting into Grammars.
C.E.M favours middle class families because it is so vocab heavy, who have books at home with parents who read to their children from a very early age also it is more culturally bias then GL IMO disadvantaging those whose first language is not English, open access to familiarisation papers allow a more level playing field for the poor-it's a con! pandering to wealthy as per usual excluding the very children that grammar schools were originally designed for IMO


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 Post subject: Re: re CEM tests
PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:03 pm 
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That's my hunch too; hope I am just being cynical.


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 Post subject: Re: re CEM tests
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:46 pm 
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I heard the Chairman of the National Grammar Schools Association on the radio saying that only 1/3 or children on FSM are entered for the 11+ from which only 1 in 10 pass it. He was going on about preparing children better during primary school and changing their parent's aspirations and attitude towards learning.


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 Post subject: Re: re CEM tests
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:36 pm 
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Well here (central Warwickshire, but in the priority circle for South Warwickshire) I'd say that if 1/3 were entered, that's well ahead of the proportion of children generally who are entered.


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