Objective National/Authority Data to Support an Appeal
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Objective National/Authority Data to Support an Appeal
I'm trying to establish some objective data for an appeal & I have been trawling the DCSF & National Statistics websites & similar, trying to ascertain the percentage of Key Stage 2 pupils who achieve level 5a/5b/5c in their SAT's. I have found the data re level 4 vs level 5 etc but was hoping to find a more detailed breakdown... Can anybody point me in the right direction please?
My child passed for 3 out of 4 local Grammar Schools, I am appealing for the 4th, our local school. Where the 3 passes were achieved, the tests applied were vr, nvr & maths. On the only one he failed, the tests were english, nvr & maths. Any suggestions how I might counter this?
All help gratefully received!
MJ
My child passed for 3 out of 4 local Grammar Schools, I am appealing for the 4th, our local school. Where the 3 passes were achieved, the tests applied were vr, nvr & maths. On the only one he failed, the tests were english, nvr & maths. Any suggestions how I might counter this?
All help gratefully received!
MJ
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My personal opinion.....I would have thought that 'English', if it is comprehension etc, is more of a taught skill rather than 11+ or cats tests. If some areas of English have not been covered in depth during the school year then it would put him at a disadvantage.
Do you have the 'split' of the marks for each paper..... can you identify where he lost marks on the test?
Do you have the 'split' of the marks for each paper..... can you identify where he lost marks on the test?
Detailed breakdown of the 2009 KS2 tests, including Age Standardised scores, threshold tables and analysis for schools is available on the QCA web site:- http://testsandexams.qcda.gov.uk/18996.aspx
Objective National/Authority Data to Support an Appeal
Thank you all for your speedy advice!
KenR, the QCA site doesn't seem to mention the differentiation between level 5a/5b/5c. I'm concerned Herman Munster may be right about this being purely school based...
Etienne, what I'd like to do is objectively demonstrate that my child scores within the top 10% of our borough (as top 11% attend Grammar Schools)
2009 In our borough
English 39% of pupils attained level 5
Maths 45%
Science 53%
2009 In our primary school
English 48% of pupils attained level 5
Maths 45%
Science 65%
I note that Science SAT's have now been discontinued.
As you can see, Level 5 only places him around top 50% which isn't very helpful...
I also have his NFER Nelson scores for Reading, Spelling & Maths but again, I would need to ascertain the percentage of pupils nationally & within our borough who perform at the same level. I can't find this data either!!!
Chad, I have the breakdown of his overall English, Maths & NVR but don't have a more detailed breakdown of his performance. I'm hoping that I will be sent more info/copies of his papers when the independent appeal hearing is confirmed. Is this how it works?
Thanks again,
MJ
KenR, the QCA site doesn't seem to mention the differentiation between level 5a/5b/5c. I'm concerned Herman Munster may be right about this being purely school based...
Etienne, what I'd like to do is objectively demonstrate that my child scores within the top 10% of our borough (as top 11% attend Grammar Schools)
2009 In our borough
English 39% of pupils attained level 5
Maths 45%
Science 53%
2009 In our primary school
English 48% of pupils attained level 5
Maths 45%
Science 65%
I note that Science SAT's have now been discontinued.
As you can see, Level 5 only places him around top 50% which isn't very helpful...
I also have his NFER Nelson scores for Reading, Spelling & Maths but again, I would need to ascertain the percentage of pupils nationally & within our borough who perform at the same level. I can't find this data either!!!
Chad, I have the breakdown of his overall English, Maths & NVR but don't have a more detailed breakdown of his performance. I'm hoping that I will be sent more info/copies of his papers when the independent appeal hearing is confirmed. Is this how it works?
Thanks again,
MJ
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Mary Jane, there was a bit of a discussion about this a few weeks ago :;
http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/forum/ ... hp?t=14409
http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/forum/ ... hp?t=14409
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Thanks Hermanmunster, not what I wanted to hear I'm afraid...
Now feeling very frustrated that my child has been subjected to incessant assessment & testing but it seems that the data is inconclusive...
Our H/T included the A's indicating higher level 5 scores when confirming estimated grades for internal review so I assumed they were recognised indicators...
ARGH!
MJ
Now feeling very frustrated that my child has been subjected to incessant assessment & testing but it seems that the data is inconclusive...
Our H/T included the A's indicating higher level 5 scores when confirming estimated grades for internal review so I assumed they were recognised indicators...
ARGH!
MJ
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It is frustrating - the figures given seem initially so encouraging and on closer inspection far too vague and all encompassing
I think one of the most frustrating things for parents is that more children get 3 level 5s at KS2 than can ever get into GS. Ultimately means it is difficult to easily get evidence of higher academic ability.
I think one of the most frustrating things for parents is that more children get 3 level 5s at KS2 than can ever get into GS. Ultimately means it is difficult to easily get evidence of higher academic ability.
Aren't Sats meant to be indicators of the school standards and not meant to be specific individual academic indicators - hence the vague level 4 or level 5 at keystage 2. They basically enable government to keep tabs on how schools themselves are performing.
Senior schools (some primaries but not most) generally administer Cats tests early in yr 7 to gain more specific guidance on pupils - I think.
I know this doesn't help if you're needing evidence of academic ability - it is v frustrating, but it explains the vague assessment levels.
Senior schools (some primaries but not most) generally administer Cats tests early in yr 7 to gain more specific guidance on pupils - I think.
I know this doesn't help if you're needing evidence of academic ability - it is v frustrating, but it explains the vague assessment levels.