Dyslexia
Moderators: Section Moderators, Forum Moderators
Hi unsure mum,
How high does an I'Q' need to be to cope at grammar school.. phew what a question
Before I tackle this one a couple of points spring to mind from your post. If your child is in Year 5 and achieved level 2 without a scribe then you should be aware that this is a huge attainment gap. Are you able to identify whether the difficulty a physical one ie difficulty with the mechanics of writing or an organisational one i.e. difficulty with transferring thoughts to paper or a mixture of both. Certainly your E.P. assessment should be looking at this and sugesting ways to overcome this, using a scribe may be one way but there are others, teaching mind mapping, improving the mechanics of writing, learning to type (can recommend 'Type to Learn 3' for the last one).
Just looking at I.Q. alone isn't the way to guage whether your child will cope at grammar. Whilst I.Q. is an indicator of general intelligence level, a higher I.Q. will often mask underlying difficultes and sadly, all too often subtle difficulties prevent a high ability child from flourishing, mainly because the child is perceived as average rather than high ability with a disability, and therefore is denied the necessary support or teaching to overcome the areas of difficulty. You also need to consider if your child has difficulty accessing the curriculum for Maths and Science? With regard to how high and I.Q. to cope at grammar, in all honesty it depends upon the school, and you will need to consider this in light of the schools in your area.
If your child has difficuties in one area (for example due to dyslexia and/or dyspraxia) it doesn't necessarily mean that he or she won't cope at grammar. However, often more effort is required for the same results than for other children.
I am not familiar with Essex 11+ i.e. but looking at the Essex section on this site I can see that one of the Papers is English, based upon what you say, I presume this is the paper that you are most worried about.
If you wish for your child to sit the 11+, then discuss with your E.P., he/she should be aware of the significance of making specific recomendation regarding concessions for your child and be able to make appropriate recmendations in light of the assessment results.
You will need to contact CSSE, and ask for their policy on concessions, you might wish to do this sooner rather than later. If concessions are offered, you will need to produce your report and evidence from the school to support your request.
Hope this helps.
HP
How high does an I'Q' need to be to cope at grammar school.. phew what a question
Before I tackle this one a couple of points spring to mind from your post. If your child is in Year 5 and achieved level 2 without a scribe then you should be aware that this is a huge attainment gap. Are you able to identify whether the difficulty a physical one ie difficulty with the mechanics of writing or an organisational one i.e. difficulty with transferring thoughts to paper or a mixture of both. Certainly your E.P. assessment should be looking at this and sugesting ways to overcome this, using a scribe may be one way but there are others, teaching mind mapping, improving the mechanics of writing, learning to type (can recommend 'Type to Learn 3' for the last one).
Just looking at I.Q. alone isn't the way to guage whether your child will cope at grammar. Whilst I.Q. is an indicator of general intelligence level, a higher I.Q. will often mask underlying difficultes and sadly, all too often subtle difficulties prevent a high ability child from flourishing, mainly because the child is perceived as average rather than high ability with a disability, and therefore is denied the necessary support or teaching to overcome the areas of difficulty. You also need to consider if your child has difficulty accessing the curriculum for Maths and Science? With regard to how high and I.Q. to cope at grammar, in all honesty it depends upon the school, and you will need to consider this in light of the schools in your area.
If your child has difficuties in one area (for example due to dyslexia and/or dyspraxia) it doesn't necessarily mean that he or she won't cope at grammar. However, often more effort is required for the same results than for other children.
I am not familiar with Essex 11+ i.e. but looking at the Essex section on this site I can see that one of the Papers is English, based upon what you say, I presume this is the paper that you are most worried about.
If you wish for your child to sit the 11+, then discuss with your E.P., he/she should be aware of the significance of making specific recomendation regarding concessions for your child and be able to make appropriate recmendations in light of the assessment results.
You will need to contact CSSE, and ask for their policy on concessions, you might wish to do this sooner rather than later. If concessions are offered, you will need to produce your report and evidence from the school to support your request.
Hope this helps.
HP
-
guestkent
NT10
You don't say what area you are in. If it is Kent (as the papers sat and the results suggest) you would not have been given extra time in the 11+.
My son is dyslexic and before he sat the 11+ I checked with the council and was told that he would only by allowed extra time in the English paper, which is only looked at on borderline cases any way.
You don't say what area you are in. If it is Kent (as the papers sat and the results suggest) you would not have been given extra time in the 11+.
My son is dyslexic and before he sat the 11+ I checked with the council and was told that he would only by allowed extra time in the English paper, which is only looked at on borderline cases any way.
extra time for dyslexia
Hi
My daughter gets extra time due to a visual impairment. I'm in Kent.
Bexley (neighbouring borough) also gave her extra time, but when I first mooted this they "stone-walled" me. I pursued this and had to provide evidence etc and got it. I don't know if this was the first year of prviding extra time, or not. There were also children at that test with dyslexia, who got extra time.
For an appeal, there must be some merit in the argument that some local authorities allow extra time and others do not. Dyslexia, presumeably, is not worsened by your post-code!
Local authority may say, how can you prove child would have done better with extra time. Response - how can they prove child would not have done better? This returns the duty of care and fairness to the LA.
Just a thought.
appealmum
My daughter gets extra time due to a visual impairment. I'm in Kent.
Bexley (neighbouring borough) also gave her extra time, but when I first mooted this they "stone-walled" me. I pursued this and had to provide evidence etc and got it. I don't know if this was the first year of prviding extra time, or not. There were also children at that test with dyslexia, who got extra time.
For an appeal, there must be some merit in the argument that some local authorities allow extra time and others do not. Dyslexia, presumeably, is not worsened by your post-code!
Local authority may say, how can you prove child would have done better with extra time. Response - how can they prove child would not have done better? This returns the duty of care and fairness to the LA.
Just a thought.
appealmum
Kent extra time
Interesting to hear that your daughter got extra time for a visual impairment. I also live in Kent and am having a real struggle to get extra time for my sons visual impairment.
I would be grateful if you could give me any more info. I have written statements from Harley St and also my sons surgeon but they still are not budging!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He has a permanent disability which they are failing to see.
I would be grateful if you could give me any more info. I have written statements from Harley St and also my sons surgeon but they still are not budging!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He has a permanent disability which they are failing to see.
extra time for impairment
Hi
I applied for "special arrangements" for visual impairment. I supplied evidence from consultant, VI specialist teacher (very useful), information from the society/charity that support those with the particular impairment (they give lots of advice about exams etc.), information about what school were already doing (there's a special form PESE). I was stone-walled quite a buit but perservered. I am afraid I did not rely on school to do it - I dealt directly with Admisssions. Found them very efficient.
If school are not providing for the needs of the child already, then you have to battle for this as well. The RNIB has a great website - look for Curriculum in Focus.
Good luck - keep at it. appealmum
I applied for "special arrangements" for visual impairment. I supplied evidence from consultant, VI specialist teacher (very useful), information from the society/charity that support those with the particular impairment (they give lots of advice about exams etc.), information about what school were already doing (there's a special form PESE). I was stone-walled quite a buit but perservered. I am afraid I did not rely on school to do it - I dealt directly with Admisssions. Found them very efficient.
If school are not providing for the needs of the child already, then you have to battle for this as well. The RNIB has a great website - look for Curriculum in Focus.
Good luck - keep at it. appealmum
Extra time
Hi. Many thanks for your reply. Hope you wont mind me asking but what type of visual impairment does your daughter have? Sorry to keep asking questions but I am still getting no where!!!!
Extra time
Hi. Sorry to trouble you again. Are you able to tell me what school your daughter attends?
extra time for impairment
Hi Louann
Without going into direct detail about the school it is within the catchment area of the old "North West Kent" area. This is the first year they have done the Kent test. Perhaps North Kent gave extra time and "big Kent" didn't, so the North Kent additional time becomes historical. Just a guess.
Persevere with the extra time - the Disability Discrimination Act can be seen on the Internet, but if you look on any Education Authroty site or the teachernet site, it will give so much detail about who is "disabled" and how schools must approach this. There is a legal duty to do so......They must also consider whether or not a disability may only affect some situations - in particular exams and testing. Obviously you must read it all for yourself and see what you think, this is only my reading of it.
Hope this helps
(wobbly eyes).
Without going into direct detail about the school it is within the catchment area of the old "North West Kent" area. This is the first year they have done the Kent test. Perhaps North Kent gave extra time and "big Kent" didn't, so the North Kent additional time becomes historical. Just a guess.
Persevere with the extra time - the Disability Discrimination Act can be seen on the Internet, but if you look on any Education Authroty site or the teachernet site, it will give so much detail about who is "disabled" and how schools must approach this. There is a legal duty to do so......They must also consider whether or not a disability may only affect some situations - in particular exams and testing. Obviously you must read it all for yourself and see what you think, this is only my reading of it.
Hope this helps
(wobbly eyes).
-
guestHW
Dyslexia and extra time bucks
Bucks LEA do allow extra time for children will dyslexia in very few cases and they only get a maximum of an extra 10% i.e. 5 mins.
I would suggest you get in writing from the school that you cannot apply for extra time, let your child sit the 11+ without extra time and then if needs be appeal under the DDA. You will also need to get a good Ed Physc report done saying your child needs extra time in exams.
We have just been through this with our son, very high IQ only scored 112 on the 11+ but we won our 11+ appeal on grounds of discrimination under DDA.
Hope this helps
I would suggest you get in writing from the school that you cannot apply for extra time, let your child sit the 11+ without extra time and then if needs be appeal under the DDA. You will also need to get a good Ed Physc report done saying your child needs extra time in exams.
We have just been through this with our son, very high IQ only scored 112 on the 11+ but we won our 11+ appeal on grounds of discrimination under DDA.
Hope this helps
D D A
Hi guest HW. Thanks for your reply. We went to appeal and stated all the information and had plenty of medical evidence from surgeons etc. We also quoted the D D A and luckily the chair of the panel understood as sh said this was her field of work. It was a relief that somebody at last knew where we were coming from.
Surprise,surprise the following week we learnt that we had won the appeal.
Surprise,surprise the following week we learnt that we had won the appeal.
