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 Post subject: Age standardisation
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:16 am 
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My daughter scored 246-in Birmingham test - she is neither particularly bright nor hardworking enough to put in the effort required . Our preparation was haphazard at best and so I was wondering what her real score would be as she is August born-- 22/8

Does anyone know how age standardisation works and hence what would her true sscire be?

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 Post subject: Re: Age standardisation
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:23 am 
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There are probably thousands of threads on this forum about age standardisation - I suggest you search for them.

Although, I have to say that if you are not a troll, your post comes across pure and simple as overt bragging, at the most, and extremely insensitive to people whose children haven't done so well, in the least.

I am sure you are delighted with how your not bright, lazy, so young daughter, with no tutoring has done, but you might be better asking for platitudes from people you know in real life. :evil:


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 Post subject: Re: Age standardisation
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:12 pm 
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Kenyan cowgirl that was not the intention -- you've clearly got the wrong end

Infact I am genuinely concerned if she can cope with all bright or else hardworking kids in grammar school environment and so asked this to ascertain what she actually scored

In the mocks she never scored over 75percent and struggled with maths so your statements annoy me as they sound very prejudiced .


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 Post subject: Re: Age standardisation
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:14 pm 
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My end of July, very bright, hard working , tutored DD got 181 in Birmingham. I personally think it is irrelevant what the raw score is as I don't believe it changes the marks by too many.
I'm just about to embark on our journey for the third time and have come to realise that the 11+ is a very specific test to measure a how quick you can put a correct answer in a box. I have been told my DD is much brighter than my DS who is at BV yet her score doesn't reflect this. I explain to her that she is like a dolphin who is being measured on her ability to climb trees. Your DD is obviously very capable at this sort of testing which her mark reflects. Like I said I wouldn't worry about her raw score as it hasn't given her an advantage or else all children at grammar school would be summer born children.


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 Post subject: Re: Age standardisation
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:17 pm 
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Moonsun wrote:
Kenyan cowgirl that was not the intention -- you've clearly got the wrong end

Infact I am genuinely concerned if she can cope with all bright or else hardworking kids in grammar school environment and so asked this to ascertain what she actually scored

In the mocks she never scored over 75percent and struggled with maths so your statements annoy me as they sound very prejudiced .


Over 75% is very good for 11+. My son was never getting above 65 %. The 11+ reflects the style of learning at a GS, quick paced with the expectation that you will pick up the work quickly. With that score you have no worries.


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 Post subject: Re: Age standardisation
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:33 pm 
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That's reassuring thanks!!


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 Post subject: Re: Age standardisation
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:33 pm 
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Moonsun wrote:
My daughter scored 246-in Birmingham test - she is neither particularly bright nor hardworking enough to put in the effort required . Our preparation was haphazard at best and so I was wondering what her real score would be as she is August born-- 22/8

Does anyone know how age standardisation works and hence what would her true sscire be?

Curious mum


Her standardised score is 246. The same as anyone else's 246, standardised against their own age sub group within the overall cohort. Chances are, that her raw scores aren't actually that much different from the raw scores of the July 1st born, the March 17th born, or the September 6th born for that matter.

So the only thing holding her back at grammar school would be her choice not to take advantage of the education that is being made available to her - but she would have the same problem at the 'poorest' local comprehensive school.

Be aware that she will eventually find a point at which natural ability will really need to be supplemented by real hard work - often A level, but for some, not until later on - but please don't tell her that she only did well because the system was biased towards her.

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 Post subject: Re: Age standardisation
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:09 pm 
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kenyancowgirl wrote:
There are probably thousands of threads on this forum about age standardisation - I suggest you search for them.

Although, I have to say that if you are not a troll, your post comes across pure and simple as overt bragging, at the most, and extremely insensitive to people whose children haven't done so well, in the least.

I am sure you are delighted with how your not bright, lazy, so young daughter, with no tutoring has done, but you might be better asking for platitudes from people you know in real life. :evil:


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 Post subject: Re: Age standardisation
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:55 pm 
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As mentioned above, 75% in the CEM mock exams is a very good score.
I happen to know that for one child in particular, an average score across the two Birmingham papers of 68%, translated into an age standardised score in the low 230s.

Giving the benefit of doubt to your post being a genuine question...
I don't think there's anything to worry about from a child scoring in 240s. (Top 5% of all scores?)
A mock score of 75% sounds just about right for the 11+ score, so it's not like exam day wasn't a lucky fluke - rather, sounds like a fairly consistent performance. (Esp. if the mocks were Bond, which seemed to be consistently 5% harder than the equivalent CGP mocks)


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 Post subject: Re: Age standardisation
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:00 pm 
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Moonsun wrote:
My daughter scored 246-in Birmingham test - she is neither particularly bright nor hardworking enough to put in the effort required . Our preparation was haphazard at best and so I was wondering what her real score would be as she is August born-- 22/8

Does anyone know how age standardisation works and hence what would her true sscire be?

Curious mum

Her real score is '246'. The 11+ is not an assessmemt of ability anyway. The score tells you nothing about how well she will do at secondary school; if she does not work hard then that does not bode well.


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