Raw scores relative to standardised scores 2010 tests

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gertie
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Re: Raw scores converted to standardised scores: 2010 tests

Post by gertie »

My nephews sat the Kent 11+ and when they saw DD's practice papers they didn't recognise a number of the VR questions ..... don't Bucks have additional questions? I know they sit what was old 'Nfer' multiple choice. The Kent children certainly have to perform - they have VR followed immediately by NVR (50 min and 40 min I think), then on another day 1 hour Maths followed by 1 hour written piece fiction.

Both nephews didn't pass -very clever especially with maths and sciences, taking some GCSE's early - so I think it must be pretty tough.
Tree
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Re: Raw scores converted to standardised scores: 2010 tests

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gertie i'm am sure it is a fairer and more complete test and i wish it was like that in bucks
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Re: Raw scores converted to standardised scores: 2010 tests

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I agree with you Tree, it is certainly is a more rounded test of a child's ability and much of it cannot be tutored for in the way the Bucks VR can. My family were surprised we only sit one type of test (and which the majority receive tutoring for).

Would my DD have made the grade for GS there?....I really don't know. Yes she achieves well at school but then so do her cousins.
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Re: Raw scores converted to standardised scores: 2010 tests

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The VR used for Kent is from the same 21 types as used by Bucks. However because there is only one test only 12/13 of those 21 will appear.

All 21 [occaisonally 20] will appear for the Bucks exam as we have 2 tests.

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Re: Raw scores converted to standardised scores: 2010 tests

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WP wrote:I wonder about a couple of these.

In test 1, Jan 69 119 seems unlikely given Dec 69 120 and Sep 69 119.

In test 2, there are two 79s, but the older one gets the higher score.

The mappings of 68 and 69 in test 2 also seem to be off the curve.
I don't see that as a descrepancy at all. I understood from NFER/GL that they bucket the ages into months and standardise around the mean score for that age bucket (that's how I'd do it). It's quite possible therefore that you might have a higher performing Jan cohort, than a Dec or Sep cohort. It's far less likely that an August or July cohort would out perform a Sep or Oct cohort, but not impossible. As such each child is competing against children born in the same month, rather than the collective cohort.
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Re: Raw scores converted to standardised scores: 2010 tests

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pippi wrote:For comparison, this table comes from the Kent section via an FoI request: http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/school ... nt-11-plus. If I understand correctly an aggregate score of 360 or more is required to qualify, and there is only one paper of each type (so not best of two papers as in Bucks).

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Age at time of testing:  10 yrs old  10 yrs 6 mths  11 yrs old  10 yrs old  10 yrs 6 mths  11 yrs old
To achieve a score of:   120         120            120         140         140 	        140
Verbal Reasoning         36/80 (45%) 39/80 (49%) 	42/80 (53%) 58/80 (73%) 61/80 (76%) 	63/80 (79%)
Non-Verbal Reasoning     35/72 (49%) 37/72 (51%)    38/72 (53%) 48/72 (67%) 49/72 (68%)    50/72 (69%)
Maths                    24/50 (48%) 26/50 (52%) 	27/50 (54%) 38/50 (76%) 39/50 (78%) 	40/50 (80%)
dear pipi thanks for the above info but i am still confused, my ds is a jan born so hes going to be 10y and 10m when they do the vr test in bucks so he needs 61 or above to pass is this correct if not please can you let me know as i am stressing now not long to go!
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Re: Raw scores relative to standardised scores 2010 tests

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hi khanj010 I've pm'd you
New Parent
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Re: Raw scores relative to standardised scores 2010 tests

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I have been reading and and trying to digest this thread. My child is September born and I am really concerned that she may not achieve the required score. I have calcaluted by looking at "Tree's" posting on 23/01/11 that a September child would need to achieve 71 in the first paper and 73 in the second paper. Have I got this right? Mine is scoring approx 70/80 in the practice tests at home and 65/68 in the Walsh tests. Is this enough?? :?
Tree
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Re: Raw scores relative to standardised scores 2010 tests

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Hi newparent

based on last years results a september born child would have needed either a 71 in the first paper or a 73 in the second paper to pass.In last years 11 plus the pass score of 73 for the second paper was very high and probably exceptional and for most years somewhere between 70 and 72 would probably be a pass for september born.

My analysis tried to extrapolate rs from ss for all ages and scores and was not an exact science and should only be used as a guide however the 71 and 73 pass figures came from actual results and so are accurate, at least for 2010.

The walsh tests are I think (other more experienced people may need to confirm this) renowned for being quite difficult so are probably not a great guide the 2nd and 3rd familiarisation papers are probably the best guide if your daughter hasn't seen them before, from the sound of it i would say she was in the right ballpark :)

All the best and good luck
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Re: Raw scores relative to standardised scores 2010 tests

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Hi Tree

Thanks for your advice and explanation, it is greatly appreciated and put my mind at ease.

New Parent
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