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whsg22
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in catchment address query

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Advice required from moderators and experienced parents.
We live in Southend currently and applied as in catchment for my daughter who got 325 score in CSSE for entry in Sept 2022.
I have internal transfer in company and need to move to London around May 2022. So we will be out of catchment as our future residence in Sept 2022.
Can we keep address of Southend until school start and then we change address of London in school once school already started. Is it in line with rules of admission?
Until how long we need to be as resident of local authority if we get admission as incatchment student?
Any other advice please appreciated.
Thank you in advance for all comments.
Whsg22
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So your new work location is sufficiently far from your current address in Southend that you have to move house (bearing in mind the number of people who commute to all parts of the capital from local stations every day), but it will be okay for your 11 year old DD to commute back to Southend on a daily basis for school, plus homework, out of school activities, etc...?

Southend uses the address as at November 30th (and both girl' grammars use the Southend rules for the relevant year in their criteria, rather than naming a specific date). You are obliged to inform the council immediately of any change of address between September and July, so it would appear that if you wait until after your DD has started at the school you should be safe, but the school will notice that your correspondence address has changed from the one used for the ranking of applicants. Of course, if 325 will have been enough to get an OOC place at the school and fewer than the maximum available IC places were taken up (that is, no IC girl will have been displaced), then less of an issue, one would suspect.

https://www.southend.gov.uk/downloads/f ... oklet-2022
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this sounds like an awfully long trip for an 11 year old - are you sure this is a good plan?
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hermanmunster wrote:this sounds like an awfully long trip for an 11 year old - are you sure this is a good plan?
To be fair, the local grammar schools' priority area isn't exactly tiny (it covers 10 postcode areas), so we could be talking about a move from Shoeburyness - in priority area, two stops and a 15 minute walk to SHSG / 5 stops and a 25 minute walk to WHSG, but over an hour into Fenchurch Street - to, say, Basildon, half an hour or so less on the train for the parent each way, 4 stops and the 25 minute walk to WHSG / 7 stops and the 15 minute walk to SHSG, but OOC as not within the SS0 - SS9 definition of the priority area.
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whsg22 wrote:Advice required from moderators and experienced parents.
We live in Southend currently and applied as in catchment for my daughter who got 325 score in CSSE for entry in Sept 2022.
I have internal transfer in company and need to move to London around May 2022. So we will be out of catchment as our future residence in Sept 2022.
Can we keep address of Southend until school start and then we change address of London in school once school already started. Is it in line with rules of admission?
Until how long we need to be as resident of local authority if we get admission as incatchment student?
Any other advice please appreciated.
Thank you in advance for all comments.
Whsg22
What will you do for your DD final term of primary school? Will you drive her back to Southend on a daily basis or transfer her to a London school?

How long have you lived at your present address? Could you not work from home rather than have such a big family upheaval and huge expense of moving?
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ToadMum wrote:So your new work location is sufficiently fat from your current address in Southend that you have to move house (bearing in mind the number of people who commute to all parts of the capital from local stations every day), but it will be okay for your 11 year old DD to commute back to Southend on a daily basis for school, plus homework, out of school activities, etc...?

Southend uses the address as at November 30th (and both girl' grammars use the Southend rules for the relevant year in their criteria, rather than naming a specific date). You are obliged to inform the council immediately of any change of address between September and July, so it would appear that if you wait until after your DD has started at the school you should be safe, but the school will notice that your correspondence address has changed from the one used for the ranking of applicants. Of course, if 325 will have been enough to get an OOC place at the school and fewer than the maximum available IC places were taken up (that is, no IC girl will have been displaced), then less of an issue, one would suspect.

https://www.southend.gov.uk/downloads/f ... oklet-2022
Thank you for info. Will go through admission booklet thoroughly. Know too many families whose kids travel from East London to Southend by private coach and they are very happy with it.
Do they consider residential address for 30th November of 2021 or 2022 for Sept 2022 entry?
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hermanmunster wrote:this sounds like an awfully long trip for an 11 year old - are you sure this is a good plan?
As I said earlier know 10+ family whose son / daughter travel daily by coach from east London to Southend / Westcliff grammar school.
So I believe it is workable.
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Blitz wrote:
whsg22 wrote:Advice required from moderators and experienced parents.
We live in Southend currently and applied as in catchment for my daughter who got 325 score in CSSE for entry in Sept 2022.
I have internal transfer in company and need to move to London around May 2022. So we will be out of catchment as our future residence in Sept 2022.
Can we keep address of Southend until school start and then we change address of London in school once school already started. Is it in line with rules of admission?
Until how long we need to be as resident of local authority if we get admission as incatchment student?
Any other advice please appreciated.
Thank you in advance for all comments.
Whsg22
What will you do for your DD final term of primary school? Will you drive her back to Southend on a daily basis or transfer her to a London school?

How long have you lived at your present address? Could you not work from home rather than have such a big family upheaval and huge expense of moving?
I can move alone in May 2022 and DD and wife can move in late 2022 once school started. So no need to change any primary school for her. I am living on my current address for more than year now. As per my new role I can't able to work from home and need to move as per requirement of my new role.
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whsg22 wrote:
ToadMum wrote:So your new work location is sufficiently fat from your current address in Southend that you have to move house (bearing in mind the number of people who commute to all parts of the capital from local stations every day), but it will be okay for your 11 year old DD to commute back to Southend on a daily basis for school, plus homework, out of school activities, etc...?

Southend uses the address as at November 30th (and both girl' grammars use the Southend rules for the relevant year in their criteria, rather than naming a specific date). You are obliged to inform the council immediately of any change of address between September and July, so it would appear that if you wait until after your DD has started at the school you should be safe, but the school will notice that your correspondence address has changed from the one used for the ranking of applicants. Of course, if 325 will have been enough to get an OOC place at the school and fewer than the maximum available IC places were taken up (that is, no IC girl will have been displaced), then less of an issue, one would suspect.

https://www.southend.gov.uk/downloads/f ... oklet-2022
Thank you for info. Will go through admission booklet thoroughly. Know too many families whose kids travel from East London to Southend by private coach and they are very happy with it.
Do they consider residential address for 30th November of 2021 or 2022 for Sept 2022 entry?
P11 of the Secondary School Admissions Booklet linked to above:

Change of home address after the closing date Addresses for schools in Southend-on-Sea are as per the child’s normal place of residence on 30 November, for Secondary Admissions. Any change of addresses that could not have reasonably been made by this date would be at the discretion of the Council. Any addresses after these dates are updated after national offer day and the applications re-ranked accordingly.

So November of the year you ate applying - today, in fact, for 2022 entry.

You were very lucky that your company transferred you to the Sourhend area at the time that they did; it's a shame they can't make the position more permanent, from your DD's point of view. In the last couple of years, WHSG (from your username, I assume that this is your first preference?) has enjoyed a resurgence in popularity amongst girls in the local area, so more likely that out of school socialising will be local, too. Presumably your DD will also have made friends in her Southend primary, who will be attending other secondary schools here, whom she would like to continue to see occasionally.

And I hate to go all Lynne Truss here, but I am assuming that you actually mean Know (,) too (,) many families whose kids travel from East London to Southend...? As the statement currently reads, as a local with friends with DC at all of the local grammar schools (and others) over the years, i would agree that not too many years ago, this would have been true - one friend whose DD was at WHSG said that every year when it snowed, her DD's form went down to about half a dozen for the duration :shock:.
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Re: in catchment address query

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TL;DR

'Moved' into catchment area for test date, when is it safe to 'move' back home to London?

:lol:
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