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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:19 pm 
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Hi folks,

I am asking on behalf of a friend. Her son sat the CSSE mock test at Southend school. Scored 78% in English and 70% in maths (which looks like good raw scores to me), but was ranked 51/200 students. She wants to know if there is any chances of him getting in. He is OOC for all Essex schools. She is heartbroken and really stressed out.

Any idea what he should be aiming for in mock test in raw % to secure a OOC place (he doesn't mind any of the essex GS).

Many thanks.


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tahm563 wrote:
Hi folks,

I am asking on behalf of a friend. Her son sat the CSSE mock test at Southend school. Scored 78% in English and 70% in maths (which looks like good raw scores to me), but was ranked 51/200 students. She wants to know if there is any chances of her getting in. She is OOC for all Essex schools. She is heartbroken and really stressed out.

Any idea what she should be aiming for in mock test in raw % to secure a OOC place (she doesn't mind any of the essex GS).

Many thanks.


Out of curiosity, which Southend school was this? As far I am aware, the CSSE doesn't run any mock exams. Whoever ran the mock, why is coming 51st out of 200 a disaster?

If you want to see what raw marks in the real exams have equated to various standardised scores and obtained places at the various CSSE schools over the past few years, have a look at the statistics in Blitz's thread here:

https://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/forum/11plus/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=53858&start=60#p674778

There is no such place as 'Southend School', though.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:31 pm 
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Southend girls do mock tests as I saw something on their website about it.


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pinkrabbit38 wrote:
Southend girls do mock tests as I saw something on their website about it.


That's true - but I think they are part of the familiarisation package they offer (which, IIRC, is mainly aimed at priority area resident pupils, but presumably would go out to OOC if not all the places were filled).

OP, was this part of the SHSG familiarisation and did the school not give any indication of how likely the any was to do well enough for a place in the real thing?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:17 pm 
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Hi,

It was definitely not at SGHS as she has a boy. I am not sure which school he attended it at. Maybe the boys one do something similar. They didn't provide any indication of how the results compare to real test results.

I told her his scores are brilliant but she is worried because he is OOC. She heard OOC has to be in top 15% to get a place, hence the panic. 51/200 places him in top 25%. But then again, the quite keen ones do mock tests, not everyone. Had a look at the thread you posted toad mum, but it's difficult to work out the standardised score without the mean and SD of the cohort.

Will tell her to not worry.


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This might be of interest to those preparing children for the 2019 entry exam using historical CSSE papers.Maths mean = 

English (% since from 2012 to 2014, the paper was marked out of 50, but from 2015 out of 60)
____________________ 2012 ____ 2013 ___ 2014 ____ 2015 ____2016 ____ 2017 ____2018
mean ________________46.0____ 37.4____ 49.3_____ 55.3 ____ 50.8 ___ 47.2 ____ 67.1
standard deviation ____ 13.8____ 14.2____ 13.8_____ 14.4 ____ 9.2 _____8.1_____ 8.7



Mathematics (% since from 2012 to 2014, the paper was marked out of 40, but from 2015 out of 60)
____________________ 2012 ____ 2013 ___ 2014 ____ 2015 ____2016 ____2017_____2018
mean ________________ 54.1____ 54.6____ 52.1_____ 63.9 ____ 59.9 ____58.3_____54.1
standard deviation _____ 20.4____ 17.7 ____ 20.5 ___ 17.8 _____12.8 ____ 12.0 ____ 11.2


You do have to turn the percentages back into raw scores to do the calculation, though (sorry, I'd forgotten that they were expressed as % for comparison).

From a previous 'Collated Cut offs' thread:


I have collated some useful posts all in one place. Hope you find them useful:

aang wrote:

CSSE have kindly responded to my query on the official statistics for 2014 11+ exam for 2015 entry

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11+ Standardisation Report – October 2014

Each pupil's raw scores were standardised (mean=100, standard deviation=15). The values used, in 2014, are presented in the table below. 

2014 (2015 entry) Mean Standard Deviation 
English __________33.174 __________8.665
Maths __________38.349 __________ 10.709

In each case the calculation proceeds as follows:
Standardised score = (((raw score - mean) /standard deviation) x 15) + 100
Total score = 1.5 x standardised Mathematics + 1.5 x standardised English.

Thus a candidate with average marks on each paper will obtain a total of 300, comprising the results in the two papers weighted 1:1.


*******************************************************

I have verified that this set of values generates a 100% match for the vast majority of the 67 scores posted in this forum (there are about five submissions where there looks like a typo by the original poster and three submissions where the scores do not generate the correct overall standardised score).

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1. a maximum English score of 60/60 translates into a "normal" standardised score of 146.44

3. a maximum Maths score of 60/60 translates into a "normal" standardised score of 130.33

A perfect score with both maximums would result in an overall standardised score of 415.147
Incidentally scoring 0 and 0 in both papers would result in an overall standardised score of 133.286

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WHSB runs familiarisation sessions as well, but again aimed at getting more local DC to apply. I think a few of DD's and DS2's years went; their primary school is just round the corner from the Westcliff grammar schools, so most DC live fairly close.


https://www.whsb.essex.sch.uk/444/community/wcgc-go-for-grammar-

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