cheltdad wrote:
jearund wrote:
hermanmunster wrote:
the application of the oversub rules should only really come after the CAF forms have been completed and they know who has applied where etc. I can't see that they would be adjusting scores by distance before they have applied
I've actually asked Crypt this very question in the past (and I published the answer on this forum) but basically, distance only applies if 2 or more children tie for the last place based on their ranks.
First comment on the forum so sorry if I'm getting this wrong but:
I think I found your earlier post on this and I'm wondering given the date of it whether it applies to the entry that has just occured (i.e. the 2019 one) and they've now changed it for 2020 - the wording in the Admission Policies on the Crypt website for 2019 and 2020 are certainly different - the 2019 one explicitly mentions that the distance criteria would be applied to separate applications at the 150th place, but the 2020 one doesn't mention ranking based on score above the "entry standard" and only references "distance" once the "Looked After", "PP" and "Children of Staff" have been taken into account.
If they have ranked on distance for those that have met the minimum standard - rather than the marking relative to that minimum it would explain the comment made in another thread about someone getting a quite good score for Marling and then no offer at all from Crypt. It's not clear where that person lives - but if they are too far away they may be above minimum but judged too far away to get on the list. This could specifically affect someone on the south side of Stroud - and would have a similar effect for someone on the north of Cheltenham (e.g. good score for Tommies or Denmark and excluded from Crypt on distance)
Happy to be proved wrong , but that's what it looks like to me.
Hi Cheltdad,
I have found my original email and the reply so I'll post them here. I remember I had exactly the same thought as you over the change from 2019 to 2020 entry (I was planning ahead for DS) and it's definitely 2020 entry we are talking about in the email exchange:
(October 2018):
"We came to the Open Morning yesterday and are very interested in the Crypt for our son, currently in Year 5, for September 2020 entry. I have noticed that you are proposing to change the admission criteria from next year (2020 entry) and wanted to check a couple of things:
1) As I understand it, all Pupil Premium children who receive a qualifying score will automatically be given a place in the top 150 (we do not qualify for Pupil Premium).
2) Distance. As I understand it, after PP children, children are admitted in order of rank, based on their standardised score following the test until all places have been filled, as in other grammar schools. But the admissions criteria mentions distance as a factor. Is this just used for the 150th place if more than one child has the same standardised score, or it is the case that all qualifying children are in fact ranked according to how far they live from the school? I believe this is unlikely but I want to make sure as we live in Cheltenham and would clearly lose out if this were the case."
Her reply:
"Further to your email below – you are correct in your assumption, distance will only come into play at the 150 places – all places are in rank order, after PP students.
Hope this helps?"
Incidentally, DS was ranked in the Top 150 for Crypt (as well as Tommies and Marling). As you can see, we weren't excluded based on distance
