Kent Private schools caught 11+ coaching

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Re: Kent Private schools caught 11+ coaching

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Exams2018 wrote:
Guest55 wrote:Private schools in Bucks have to stick to the rules if they want their students to sit the test in their own school.
Banking on people's integrity makes it very unfair. A lot can slip under the radar! Private schools have vested interests in exam results.
The Head has to sign a piece of paper saying they have stuck to the rules. If they are caught out it would be very 'visible' as they would lose the option of students sitting in their own school - this would be very 'public' and show they cheated.
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Re: Kent Private schools caught 11+ coaching

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Guest55 wrote:
Exams2018 wrote:
Guest55 wrote:Private schools in Bucks have to stick to the rules if they want their students to sit the test in their own school.
Banking on people's integrity makes it very unfair. A lot can slip under the radar! Private schools have vested interests in exam results.
The Head has to sign a piece of paper saying they have stuck to the rules. If they are caught out it would be very 'visible' as they would lose the option of students sitting in their own school - this would be very 'public' and show they cheated.
Then children should can surely be allowed to take the tests in their own homes. Parents will sign a similar paper. THAT makes it fair ground.
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Exams2018 wrote:Then children should can surely be allowed to take the tests in their own homes. Parents will sign a similar paper. THAT makes it fair ground.
That's not a fair conclusion - no exam can be taken at home without an impartial invigilator. Do you live in Bucks? If not, you cannot imagine how embarrassing it would be for a school to lose its 'Partner' status. Students would have to go to the OOC GS centres to sit the test. It would probably cause the school to close ...
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Re: Kent Private schools caught 11+ coaching

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Guest55 wrote:
Exams2018 wrote:
Guest55 wrote:Private schools in Bucks have to stick to the rules if they want their students to sit the test in their own school.
Banking on people's integrity makes it very unfair. A lot can slip under the radar! Private schools have vested interests in exam results.
The Head has to sign a piece of paper saying they have stuck to the rules. If they are caught out it would be very 'visible' as they would lose the option of students sitting in their own school - this would be very 'public' and show they cheated.
So the sanction would be that their pupils would have to suffer the trauma of sitting the test in a test centre (ah, bless :) . Here, everyone takes the CSSE exam in one of the Consortium schools and everyone survives). In the meantime, the school loses that 'privilege' but presumably has no incentive to stop coaching for the test, plus now a big selling point that they can do so in spades, because as a non-partner school, they are not bound by the petty rules imposed on their rivals?

(Obviously, my 'take' on the possible consequences is rightly different from Guest55's :lol: ).
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Re: Kent Private schools caught 11+ coaching

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Yes being exposed as a school that cheats would be great publicity :lol:
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Guest55 wrote:Yes being exposed as a school that cheats would be great publicity :lol:
Sadly, not all parents would see this form of cheating as a Bad Thing. I mean, you've got to do the best for your own DC, haven't you?
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How does it work in Kent/Bucks (or any other county!) with private schools preparing their DC for the private secondary schools entrance exams? some private schools still use the common entrance but many use very similar exams to the 11+.
DD spent her last 3 years at a prep and sat a private secondary exam which she says was very similar to the 11+
She had 1 hour a week thinking skills lessons which was identical to 11+ prep but was for the private secondary exams, her prep very definitely pushed DC towards staying private.
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Re: Kent Private schools caught 11+ coaching

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Guest55 wrote:
Exams2018 wrote:
Guest55 wrote:Private schools in Bucks have to stick to the rules if they want their students to sit the test in their own school.
Banking on people's integrity makes it very unfair. A lot can slip under the radar! Private schools have vested interests in exam results.
The Head has to sign a piece of paper saying they have stuck to the rules. If they are caught out it would be very 'visible' as they would lose the option of students sitting in their own school - this would be very 'public' and show they cheated.
Which subjects are in the new Bucks 11+test prepared by GL?
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Re: Kent Private schools caught 11+ coaching

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Why can’t all the children simply take the exam at another school? That way it makes it fair while still keeping logistics the same for the schools?
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Re: Kent Private schools caught 11+ coaching

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Why should they? Bucks is opt-out so the vast majority that the Transfer Test and sit it in their Primary school. I see no reason why this should change.
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