Cheating parents send older siblings to take 11+

[Sparklecat]

If Kent grammar schools stopped giving places to Inner London children instead of locals, this wouldn't be an issue.

[streathammum]

Why wouldn't it? The problem is about impersonation, which could happen whether or not a school has a catchment.

[bridge]

But of all the 000's of children who have sat 11+ exams there has not been one person caught doing this impersonating! Not really sure it's a problem.

The reason why some kids pass these tests without being particularly clever is that they are not tutor proof or that they are allowed the HT appeal!

This is closer to the reality.

[Sally-Anne]

But of all the 000's of children who have sat 11+ exams there has not been one person caught doing this impersonating! Not really sure it's a problem.

Sorry to burst your bubble, and that of other disbelievers, but this problem does exist. People have been caught doing this in many areas, and that is why quite a lot of admission authorities and schools now go to the immense administrative trouble of asking for verified ID.

For a few years now, Bucks Admissions has been forced to process over 5,000 forms for children who are not tested in their own primary schools - in or out of area: https://www.buckscc.gov.uk/media/451100 ... -final.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; They don't do it for fun; they do it because they know that this type of fraud has gone on in the past, and was becoming more prevalent.

Sad, but true.

[bridge]

Sorry to burst your bubble, and that of other disbelievers, but this problem does exist.

I have no idea if it exists or not. I was wondering why the article didn't provide any evidence of that rather than just somebody thinking it might have happened, once.

[Daogroupie]

Actually he found out that it had happened and he reported it to Kent County Council and they chose not to do anything about it. DG

[Sally-Anne]

I have no idea if it exists or not. I was wondering why the article didn't provide any evidence of that rather than just somebody thinking it might have happened, once.

The problem with this type of fraud is that it almost never emerges until the child has actually started school, as was the case with Wilmington GS.

The School Admissions Code (which is rarely mealy mouthed about anything), states the following:

2.13 A school must not withdraw a place once a child has started at the school, except where that place was fraudulently obtained. In deciding whether to withdraw the place, the length of time that the child has been at the school must be taken into account. For example, it might be considered appropriate to withdraw the place if the child has been at the school for less than one term.

In practice, few admission authorities would withdraw a place even in the first term, on the grounds that the sins of the parents should not be visited on the child. Naming and shaming 11 year-old children isn't on anyone's list, and that is why there are no publicly reported cases.

[ToadMum]

But of all the 000's of children who have sat 11+ exams there has not been one person caught doing this impersonating! Not really sure it's a problem.

The reason why some kids pass these tests without being particularly clever is that they are not tutor proof or that they are allowed the HT appeal!

This is closer to the reality.

In terms of the HT review, for both Kent and Buckinghamshire, the evidence from this forum is that OOC head teachers are unlikely to understand or initiate the process, so the beneficiaries of the 'getting in on review despite not being of grammar school' process are most likely to be in-county...

[bridge]

Actually he found out that it had happened and he reported it to Kent County Council and they chose not to do anything about it. DG

We should make it clear that it was in his opinion that it happened.

[bridge]

Naming and shaming 11 year-old children isn't on anyone's list, and that is why there are no publicly reported cases.

I agree that they should not be named etc. However, I thought the councils might say for example 7 places/offers this year have been withdrawn due to different children taking exams.

Ultimately councils are using photo id, I just think it would be good to have actual evidence when so much energy is devoted to something.