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 Post subject: Help with a "Type C" word/code questionPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:56 pm

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I'm pulling my hair out trying to work this one out ;

If the code for AMAZE is ZOXDZ,
what does OTFGZ mean?

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 Post subject: Re: Help with a "Type C" word/code questionPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:02 pm

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I am no expert in how to teach these codes but:

to get from AMAZE to ZOXDZ you basically use the formula -1, +2, -3, +4, -5 (in terms of letters of the alphabet).

To go from OTFGZ to the starting word you would reverse that formula +1, -2, +3, -4, +5 to get PRICE.

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 Post subject: Re: Help with a "Type C" word/code questionPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:09 pm

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Thanks - that's it.

I actually did get that (or sort of) but mixed up a "+" and a "-"!!

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 Post subject: Re: Help with a "Type C" word/code questionPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:17 pm

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Whether this is correct or not, but I taught my son to "If you are looking for the word start with the code, if you are looking for the code, then start from the word."

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 Post subject: Re: Help with a "Type C" word/code questionPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:20 pm

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Here is an image which demonstrates how I teach codes to my students. I get them to place the one 'word' on top of another and work out the difference between the letters. I always get them to quickly scribble down the alphabet if there is not one on the test paper.

It does not really matter whether they go from the word to the code, or the code to the word, as long as they swap the addition/subtraction sign if they subsequently have to do it the other way round.

For example, if they go word to code and it is -2, if they then have a code they must add 2 to get to the word.

It is much more difficult explaining it in text than actually showing a child!

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 Post subject: Re: Help with a "Type C" word/code questionPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:37 pm

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Thanks Elizabeth,

That is a very good approach. My dd is struggling with this type of questions. Basically she is getting confused between code to word, word to code...

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 Post subject: Re: Help with a "Type C" word/code questionPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:15 pm

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dams wrote:
My dd is struggling with this type of questions. Basically she is getting confused between code to word, word to code...

Patricia's rule on these question types is very simple and effective, takes out all of that confusion, and also takes out the need to remember to reverse the code at all.

"Whatever you are looking for (being asked for) goes at the bottom."

So, if you are being asked for a word you need to write the code above the word in the question. If you are being asked for a code, you need to write the word above the code in the question.

Once you have the pattern, you can then solve the question without needing to reverse it. So, in the example here:

Z...O...X...D...Z
A...M...A...Z...E
+1..-2..+3..-4..+5

O...T...F...G...Z
+1..-2..+3..-4..+5
P...R...I...C...E

A further example, going in the opposite direction:

If the word for QBLE is SAND, what is the code for MOST?

S...A...N...D
Q...B...L...E
-2..+1..-2..+1

M...O...S...T
-2..+1..-2..+1
K...P...Q...U

Sally-Anne

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 Post subject: Re: Help with a "Type C" word/code questionPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:04 pm

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Hi Sally-Anne,

Thank you very much for providing an excellent explanation of this technique. I have replayed this technique to my DD yesterday and she seems to have grasped it straightway. She managed to do some of the sample questions with more accuracy and taking up less time.

Best regards,
Dams

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 Post subject: Re: Help with a "Type C" word/code questionPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:20 pm

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Good - glad it helped. Now she has grasped the technique you need to remind her that mirror codes can come up on these questions, e.g.

If the code for DESK is WVHP,
what is the code for BOOK?

D = mirror of W
E = mirror of V
S = mirror of H
P = mirror of K

Mirror of B = Y
Mirror of O = L
Mirror of O = L
Mirror of K = P

There's plenty more advice on mirror codes if you do a quick search.

S-A

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 Post subject: Re: Help with a "Type C" word/code questionPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:37 pm

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What Midget found easiest with these was to automatically put a line in the middle of the alphabet, so he could tell right at the beginning if it would be a mirror one or not.

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