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 Post subject: Thank You Patricia - Type 19Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:27 pm

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Dear Patricia

I just wanted to say a

B I G T H A N K Y O U ! ! !

to you. I read an old thread where you told us that you never worked out the whole code for word-number codes, jut a few numbers, and from there you worked out the first and last letters to the answers.

Well we tried it and it worked like a charm! We had perviously been working out the whole code before proceeding to the the questions, and it was taking far too long!

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 Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:27 am

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Dear Jaysdarlin

Thank You.

This method of using first and last letters can also be used for Long Codes [type C] and where does the letter come from [ types O and R]

Patricia

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 Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:07 am

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JaysDarlin, could you point me in the direction of that thread?
Thanks a lot
Jess

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 Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:30 am

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patricia wrote:
Dear Jaysdarlin

Thank You.

This method of using first and last letters can also be used for Long Codes [type C] and where does the letter come from [ types O and R]

Patricia

Just watch out for the odd one where the codes/words aren't the same length.

Type C
From NFER 11B question 85:
If the code for PIANO is QKDRT what is the code for VIOLIN?
The code has 5 letters and the word has 6.

Type R
From NFER 11A Question 67:

(grown [sewn] dose)
(bloat [ ] globe)
Dose and globe aren't the same length, and this one has the added complication that you have to use the last 4 letters of globe, rather than the first 4.
s in sewn comes from the second-last letter of dose
second-last letter of globe is B
e in sewn comes from the last letter of dose
last letter of globe is E
w in sewn comes from the 4th letter of grown
4th letter of bloat is A
n in sewn comes from the last letter of grown
last letter of bloat is T
Word is BEAT. If you work from the beginning of globe, you get OBAT.

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 Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:49 pm

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Dear Y

Yes agree with the different lengh codes/words found in type C. My children are quite drilled in this matter.

With regard to your second example, I complained to NFER many years ago. I noted by substituting D for CL it made sense. It is a printing error. The word DOSE should be CLOSE

(grown [sewn] dose)
(bloat [ ] globe)

Grown [sewn] close
Bloat [?????] globe

S comes from 4th on the right = B

E comes from 5th on the right = E

W comes from 4th on the left = A

N comes from 5th on the left = T

Patricia

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 Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:42 pm

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Jess wrote:
JaysDarlin, could you point me in the direction of that thread?
Thanks a lot
Jess

Sounds really useful ; where can we find that thread?
TX
Silverflora

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 Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:37 pm

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Dear Jess and Silverflora

Basically if you are looking for a code/word [type C] Once you have worked out the 1st and last letters, ususlly thats enough to find the answer on a Mutiple Choice answer sheet.

The same rules can apply to Types O and R [only work out the 1st and last letters.]

Type N, once the code has been cracked, you need to find 2 words and a number code OR 2 number codes and a word. Yet again by finding the 1st and last, its usually enough to find the answer. With this type I do not usually apply the rule when finding the numbers for the word given as the children often get mixed up with a series of numbers:

546789 can look so much like 547689

I would therefore only apply the method of 1st and last when finding the word from the numbers:

What is the word for 56744, the 1st letter is say T the last letter is E
[please note this is not a 'proper' example, so the letters/numbers are not necessarily corresponding]

The M/C sheet gives the options:

THREE
TOUGH
STALE
TOWER
SCENE

The only word it could be is THREE

If the words on offer were:

THREE
TOUGH
THERE
SCENE
TOWER

The answer could be THREE or THERE, therefore need to work out the 3rd letter in order to eliminate.

I tend to teach the children how to do these questions the long way first, making them practice many questions. Once they are water tight with the method and thoroughly fed up with time consuming codes, I feed them a life line of 1st and last. They love it...

Patricia

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 Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:50 pm

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Brilliant! Thanks Patricia

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 Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:01 pm

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Thanks Patricia! I have been searching through the posts and can't for the life of me remember where I read it!

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 Post subject: Ditto from me!Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:07 am

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Thank you so much Patricia.

Its these tips that can make a total difference to how things go on the day especially as they are under such time pressure.

Silverflora

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